BrooksBurner

I mean ok, but 2 games left in the season and we're doing this? Gus-Trouba have 62 minutes of TOI this year, and if anyone wanted to push for Jones instead of Gus, Jones-Trouba has 7 minutes of TOI.

Chytil is a strong 5v5 player, particularly offensively. If he actually is fully healthy and can play to his potential, it would be an amazing boost. My issue is that I just can't imagine his game would be the same for a while yet. Trepidation and all of that. He might still be a good addition to the lineup, but maybe not as effective as he otherwise would be.

I think his analytics since he's come back are the best they've been all season lol, but actual team production with him on ice at 5v5 is 2 GF vs 8 GA. Given the obnoxiously small sample size of 7 games, there's no replacement for needing a supporting eye test here, because there's been goals against he has been directly responsible for happening. It doesn't matter how much the ice is tilted while you're out there, if you're making some of the egregious mistakes he is. Those will kill you in the playoffs, and obviously the most in OT periods. There's been cases where he's been too aggressive, and I'm not sure where that's coming from. I forgot what game it was, but that one weird pinch up to the blue line when he was last man back and Cuylle was also being dumb dancing the blue line. Know your role pal (that goes for Cuylle too on that particular play)!

I get why the team and he would want to come back to be around the team for the playoffs, but practicing without a non-contact jersey is not that. It's happening.

No they didn't. That was all Shesterkin. Shesterkin has come back down to earth, .882 sv percentage last 4 games, and the Rangers have 0 5v5/ES goals in the last 2 games. That's not to excuse Trouba. He's not been good since coming back, but the way the team looks, relying on goaltending and suffering from a lack of scoring chance generation at 5v5/ES is nothing new. This is simply just what it looks like when they can't capitalize on those few chances they get.

That’s what we were told, yes.

No 5v5 or ES goals in the last 6+ periods of hockey. These games also don't mean a lot. Just stay healthy.

You belittled a source, then used it to try and prove a point. I responded to that. I did not respond to your 2nd paragraph because you didn't make any new points. It's regurgitating. I just like to look to the data to provide hope, rather than hope just because they're my favorite team, so we just won't agree and it's time to move on.

Maybe not with the team at full strength, but what if a center gets injured

BTW, if you think Naturalstattrick, EvolvingHockey, moneypuck, hockeyviz, etc., are all that far off from “real data” like Valley’s company, don’t let me catch you cherry picking stats from those sites to prove a point like what you just tried to do with Kakko and MacKinnon.

You trust the human watching, but the non-human writing

The alternative is that they were being ultra cautious to skirt the cap, and it's not quite as serious as has been covered.

I don't think that's what he's saying. He understands 5v5 matters a lot, which is why he's picking a fight on the topic with ESPN/Wys/other analysts who work for legitimate professional hockey analytics companies contributed to that article. In addition to those professional companies, the free ones in Natural Stat Trick, Evolving Hockey, Moneypuck, HockeyViz, are all in fairly close correlation with each other in where the Rangers rank in this regard. The data from all these sources is saying the same thing, but CSA, which Valley founded, has an apparently outlier difference of opinion? Lafreniere's 5v5 expected numbers were good, and his actual production lagged behind. The actual production has elevated to be closer to the expected. Just based on that info, without even watching games, anyone could have just told you he must be finishing the chances he wasn't previously. This is a great example of how expected goals can tell a story.

Fine. It's like playing poker then. You can errantly reduce it to one statistic. That's your prerogative. 5v5 across the board is not one statistic though even if you want it to be. 80+% of the game is played at 5v5. It kind of matters. A lot.

That is a big discrepancy. Naturalstattrick has the Rangers at 23rd in 5v5 xGF and 11th in All Strengths xGF. Valley has been posting all strengths expected goals charts after every game this year through his X account though, so I kind of wonder if that's what he was referring to. I don't expect the best accuracy from a free to use site like NST, but I find it pretty hard to believe (essentially, next to zero chance) it's that far off from what Valley is using if he was indeed talking about 5v5. Especially when the eye test consistently backs up that the Rangers get outplayed at 5v5.

The Rangers got obliterated at 5v5 in each series. Igor almost singlehandedly won them the Carolina series, and he almost did it against Tampa too.

If you win the lotto, it would not be salty to call it lucky. It’s just the truth. Every team requires luck, yes. The difference is the amount of luck required.

The Rangers will likely lose if the other team stays out of the box. They will get caved in at 5v5 by most of the other playoff teams. As usual, they will rely on special teams opportunities and goaltending. We’ve already seen the last two years that the approach is not a general model for success, but it can still result in some success (ECF under Gallant). The Rangers winning would be an anomaly, just like making the ECF that year was. It doesn’t mean they can’t win, but there’s no reason to make out their chances to be more than they are.

Gross If your sister was Sydney Sweeney do you think you could look past it? Jamie Lannister style

Imagine paying hundreds of dollars or even over a grand to go to a game with the family, just to see a tie though. Brutal

Since 2021, top 5 Rangers forwards in +/-: Zibanejad +68 Kreider +57 Panarin +41 Kakko +29 Trocheck +17 In that span, Zibanejad is 10th amongst forwards in the NHL in +/-, and Kreider is 14th. You can't attribute the results to "goaltending and teammates" when the disparity in goal differential is this large. This year, Kreider is +17 (1st on team amongst forwards, 27th in NHL) and Zibanejad is +13 (4th, 51st). Still 1st line goal diff for both, but a step back because Zibanejad isn't keeping up with the offensive output he's had the last few seasons, and that's unequivocally not a Kreider issue. Kreider is tied for the most ES points in his career this year. Any attempt to shade Kreider for Zibanejad's lack of offense is not based in reality or stats. "It's a 5v4 when Kreider is on the ice" is the funniest thing I've read in a Kreider-hate post in a while. The fact of the matter is, Kreider and Zibanejad help each other immensely in all 3 zones. Peanut butter and jelly baby. Just a little light on peanut butter (Zibanejad) this year.

Not that it makes a diff with respect to Dallas, but in general 3v3 ot and shootout “wins” aren’t legitimate hockey wins either. Don’t like the cheesy winner point just as much as I don’t like the loser point…but I also hate the concept of ties too lol

Refs missed 2 boarding calls within 15 seconds of each other. Amazing