Puck Head Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Currently Kaapo Kakko is on pace to finish the season with 32 points. I'm absolutely fine with that, but the expectation was that we were drafting a franchise forward. 18 year old rookies from the last few drafts. Nico Hischier- 52 points Auston Matthews- 69 points Patrik Laine- 64 points Pierre Dubois- 48 points Matthew Tkachuk- 48 points Brady Tkachuk- 45 points Connor McDavid- 48 points (45 games) Jack Eichel- 56 points Reports were leading us to believe he was a player that could go number 1 in that draft, or many other drafts. Also factor in that his size, strength, and experience playing previously against men would translate into the NHL quickly. I don't mind he's lost defensively and away from the puck, that's part of the development process. My concern is that I haven't seen anything exceptional in regards to skill. His skating is well below average in regards to explosiveness, edge work, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Currently Kaapo Kakko is on pace to finish the season with 32 points. I'm absolutely fine with that, but the expectation was that we were drafting a franchise forward. 18 year old rookies from the last few drafts. Nico Hischier- 52 points Auston Matthews- 69 points Patrik Laine- 64 points Pierre Dubois- 48 points Matthew Tkachuk- 48 points Brady Tkachuk- 45 points Connor McDavid- 48 points (45 games) Jack Eichel- 56 points Reports were leading us to believe he was a player that could go number 1 in that draft, or many other drafts. Also factor in that his size, strength, and experience playing previously against men would translate into the NHL quickly. I don't mind he's lost defensively and away from the puck, that's part of the development process. My concern is that I haven't seen anything exceptional in regards to skill. His skating is well below average in regards to explosiveness, edge work, etc. Just goes to show nothing translates to the NHL quickly. Kaapo is looking like he's about to have the same year as Svechnikov did last year. None of these players that we draft will be ready to "dominate" the NHL for a few years. For every player you mentioned there there's a Brad Marchand or Blake Wheeler. Look at Mika Zibanejad. It wasn't until he turned 26 that he became an PPG player. Ryan Strome? Also having a break out year at 26. Kakko won't be 26 for another 8 years. Instead of overanalyzing and critiquing every aspect of his game, just be happy he's in the organization. The point of this season is to learn the league. Learn how to play. It'll all come in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyInTheMiddle Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Currently Kaapo Kakko is on pace to finish the season with 32 points. I'm absolutely fine with that, but the expectation was that we were drafting a franchise forward. 18 year old rookies from the last few drafts. Nico Hischier- 52 points Auston Matthews- 69 points Patrik Laine- 64 points Pierre Dubois- 48 points Matthew Tkachuk- 48 points Brady Tkachuk- 45 points Connor McDavid- 48 points (45 games) Jack Eichel- 56 points Reports were leading us to believe he was a player that could go number 1 in that draft, or many other drafts. Also factor in that his size, strength, and experience playing previously against men would translate into the NHL quickly. I don't mind he's lost defensively and away from the puck, that's part of the development process. My concern is that I haven't seen anything exceptional in regards to skill. His skating is well below average in regards to explosiveness, edge work, etc. Not all development is linear. Yes Kaako was certainly (over)-hyped going into the draft. However, look at a player like Andrei Svechnikov; last season he finished with 37 points, and this year as a 19 year old is producing at point per game pace with Jordan Staal as his center. Aleksander Barkov would be another tangible example with production inline with where Kaako is his first 2 seasons, and who now at 24 is a PPG+ player all last season and this one so far. When you are citing players like Pierre Dubois & the Tkachuk brothers, 32 points(if that is where he finishes) is not light years from their rookie production at 18 years old. Kaako's recent slump aside, I really don't see anything irregular with his production. I actually think that slump is much more indicative of the coaching staff's developmental skills than Kaako's production. Evaluation is only part of the equation in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Head Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Technically, Tkachuks rookie seasons would be 50% greater than Kaako?s. And neither brother was considered franchise. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyInTheMiddle Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Technically, Tkachuks rookie seasons would be 50% greater than Kaako’s. And neither brother was considered franchise. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk You have to do a little bit better job of explaining what your metrics for a franchise player is. Ryan Nugent Hopkins was billed as a franchise player when he was drafted; sometimes you just get a really high functioning excellent player with the #1 or #2 pick. That is just the way it works; I mean who should the Oilers have drafted in 2011 instead? You would have to go all the way to end of the 2nd round at pick #58 to find that franchise player in Kucherov to find him; the problem is that almost every team in the league passed on him twice before Tampa took him. To ThirtyONE's point, we need to stop putting highly unrealistic expectations on players and enjoy watching them develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Not all development is linear. Yes Kaako was certainly (over)-hyped going into the draft. However, look at a player like Andrei Svechnikov; last season he finished with 37 points, and this year as a 19 year old is producing at point per game pace with Jordan Staal as his center. Aleksander Barkov would be another tangible example with production inline with where Kaako is his first 2 seasons, and who now at 24 is a PPG+ player all last season and this one so far. When you are citing players like Pierre Dubois & the Tkachuk brothers, 32 points(if that is where he finishes) is not light years from their rookie production at 18 years old. Kaako's recent slump aside, I really don't see anything irregular with his production. I actually think that slump is much more indicative of the coaching staff's developmental skills than Kaako's production. Evaluation is only part of the equation in my opinion. Good post. Just had a thought too that it's weird Kakko's family not only didn't move with him but didn't even come see him at Christmas. Kakko had a massive uptick in play when he got some Finnish love from Ruuttu and could obviously use some fellow countryman around. I mean Brendan Smith taking him under his wing is fine, but I'm sure the guy would like a little real companionship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 The Post has been told by individuals with knowledge of the situation that there has been little interest shown in the No. 7-overall selection of the 2017 draft. The 21-year-old Andersson has recorded nine points (3-6) in 66 NHL games while posting 39 points (15-24) in 74 career AHL contests. At the same time, the Rangers are not going to necessarily bite on the first offer even if the club has little leverage in talks. Andersson had just three points (two goals, one assist) in his past 10 games with the Wolf Pack ? all in the same game. Play like that would not have earned him the promotion that will be coming to another Hartford forward in the wake of the fractured hand suffered by Brendan Lemieux in the Rangers? 5-3 victory over Carolina on Friday at the Garden. It is believed Andersson spent the holiday with his family in the New York area. It is unclear whether the Rangers would welcome the Swede back if he has a change of heart, though the organization probably might have a collective-bargaining agreement issue in holding to an indefinite suspension. At this point, though, there is no indication of movement on any front. https://nypost.com/2019/12/28/interest-in-suspended-ranger-lias-andersson-about-what-youd-expect/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Let me just demand a trade while I'm in the middle of sucking up the AHL... Let me toss my career away like a WJC silver medal... Fuck this clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Let me just demand a trade while I'm in the middle of sucking up the AHL... Let me toss my career away like a WJC silver medal... Fuck this clown. +1 and all day long. Might be time for whoever's been advising this kid to take a long look in the mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 It's his dad lol How it work for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 It's his dad lol How it work for him? ok so I really didn't know that or forgot but now it all makes more sense. Thanks for the laugh Dunny. I bet they had a robust conversation around the dinner table over the holidays. F' him, his dad and his lame ass signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Whats worse is that had he just sucked it up and played, he'd almost assuredly be up instead of DiGiuseppe, Fogarty, or whomever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Yes, I would take him back (at Hartford) but only for the purpose of increasing his trade value. That's what the Bolts did pretty much with Drouin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Did you watch Trautwigs interview with JD? JD will not cave to any players demands, will certainly take him back, and will send him back to Hartford. Because it?s all part of the process of a young player maturing and becoming a man. That?s what I got from the interviews and the kind of person JD comes off as being. He doesn?t cave to players, media, even his own friends opinions. So I think it?s much to do about nothing. He will be sent to Hartford when he comes back end of story. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Did you watch Trautwigs interview with JD? JD will not cave to any players demands, will certainly take him back, and will send him back to Hartford. Because it’s all part of the process of a young player maturing and becoming a man. That’s what I got from the interviews and the kind of person JD comes off as being. He doesn’t cave to players, media, even his own friends opinions. So I think it’s much to do about nothing. He will be sent to Hartford when he comes back end of story. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I did not catch the interview He’d take him back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I heard a good point today on Sirius NHL and totally agree. Ghost him. If he makes requests, don’t even respond. That was their argument and I agree.c He has no trade value whatsoever and I wouldn’t entertain anything unless it includes Middlestadt, who is another problem but at least has a bit more actual potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I heard a good point today on Sirius NHL and totally agree. Ghost him. If he makes requests, don’t even respond. That was their argument and I agree.c He has no trade value whatsoever and I wouldn’t entertain anything unless it includes Middlestadt, who is another problem but at least has a bit more actual potential. If Andersson comes in on bended knee, you have to take him back. But make him earn anything he's given. He's an asset that you cannot throw away. Not to say you should go easy on him either. He has to either grow up or forget ever playing in the NHL for anyone. Middlestadt right now nor any time soon is not happening. Would think given his dad's journeyman career the kid might have learned something. But so far, no. He has been given something very precious and he is pissing it away- https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/a/anderni01.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Let me just demand a trade while I'm in the middle of sucking up the AHL... Let me toss my career away like a WJC silver medal... Fuck this clown. Whoever his agent is should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 15. Lias Andersson has gone back to Sweden. It remains to be seen if the Rangers loan him to a local team, as Edmonton’s done with Jesse Puljujarvi. (Can’t hurt to have him playing.) The Oilers have taken a tough stance with their winger, as has Dallas with Julius Honka. Like Andersson, they are young former first-rounders, and, in trade talks, are being treated as such. New York is following that path. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-nhl-trade-market-beginning-take-shape/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I've already chalked this pick as a total loss. I'm ok with sending a message and never trading him. Let him sit there forever and contemplate what could've been. Sent from my SM-G950U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I?m thinking they go slightly older, a guy with a contract a team is trying to dump. Sam Bennett? Or is he on managements good side this week? Bennett was a healthy scratch, and essentially what "bust Lias" will look like in a few seasons. Many wanted to trade Zucc for him the last few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I'd trade Andersson for him right now, I'd throw in a pick, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I've already chalked this pick as a total loss. Sent from my SM-G950U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk They can't take him back. I already wrote him off on my taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 This has all worked out well for Lias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 That’s Bowen Byram getting speared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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