Lias Andersson Leaves the Team; Requests Trade

[Albatrosss]

he threw away the silver medal because.....if you're not first, you're last

[Pete]

I think it's more likely he read what people were saying about him on social media.

 

Would this be the first time a kid that age felt this way over shit that happened on social?

 

Kinda feel bad for him now, but if he was having a tough time he should have approached management. Or maybe he did? This half leaked info is nonsense though. I know there's sensitivities around it but either STFU and go away or tell the full story.

[Phil]

I tried finding the thread where the medal throw was discussed but couldn't locate it. Anyone with better BSBH skills than me find it? I like going back sometimes and looking at how bad we missed on our bold predictions.

 

http://www.blueshirtsbrotherhood.com/showthread.php?19883-Quick-Hits-A-Good-Loser-is-Still-a-Loser&highlight=silver+medal

 

http://www.blueshirtsbrotherhood.com/showthread.php?20354-Lias-Andersson-Suspended-Four-Games-by-IIHF&highlight=silver+medal

[RangersIn7]

This whole thing seems mishandled by both parties from top to bottom.

 

If there is validity to what he’s saying, then they need to try and patch it up and salvage this kid.

Regardless of him being worthy of where he was picked, they still spent that pick on him. Not only that, but at this point he has almost zero value right now, and in addition to that, he’s a hockey player who isn’t playing hockey.

 

It’s in everybody’s best interest to try and find a solution.

[CBrowningPI]

It just seems to easy to say he's just not good and he sucked, that's why he only played

[Pete]

It just seems to easy to say he's just not good and he sucked, that's why he only played Sure, if you want to throw out the fact that Andersson did absolutely nothing at all in any game across his entire career to show that he would do anything other than what he did, with better players.

 

I feel bad for his personal issues and outlook, but he's just not an NHL level player and I completely disagree that Quinn HAD to do anything other than what he did. That might have satisfied Rangers Twitter, but that's about it.

[ThirtyONE]

I am not a big proponent of trying to interpret what is going on inside someone's head; ie "he wanted a participation trophy because he threw his silver medal into the crowd".

 

Having said that, the line above speaks volumes to me, if that is not simply just a poor translation. I seriously thought he was on the right track after a strong camp performance, but to say that he clinched the 2nd line center spot tells me that he drinks his own Kool-Aid.

 

Right. Is he unaware that in the preseason you're playing against junior and minor league players? In no way was he the 2nd line center. He MAYBE beat out Howden who is a 3rd line winger... That's all you need to know.

 

What's sad is that people are still clinging to the "Quinn screwed him" narrative. "All Quinn had to do was award Lias the 2nd line center position for no reason and none of this would have happened." All of this shit has proven, if he wasn't an issue now, he'd be an issue down the road.

[CBrowningPI]

Of course he didn't HAVE to, he's the coach. He also didn't HAVE to put Chytil on the second line and put Howden on the 3rd.

[LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN]

25 pages for this malcontent?

[MuddyInTheMiddle]

Right. Is he unaware that in the preseason you're playing against junior and minor league players? In no way was he the 2nd line center. He MAYBE beat out Howden who is a 3rd line winger... That's all you need to know.

 

What's sad is that people are still clinging to the "Quinn screwed him" narrative. "All Quinn had to do was award Lias the 2nd line center position for no reason and none of this would have happened." All of this shit has proven, if he wasn't an issue now, he'd be an issue down the road.

 

See I think it is somewhere in the middle. I don't buy Pete's narrative that because Quinn didn't put him on the 3rd line, he did nothing to earn it; that is a straw man argument. Quinn as the coach was not obligated to play him in a top 9 role or even with linemates that were capable of legitimately playing in a top 9 role. What he is obligated to do is be consistent and communicate clearly when he is not being consistent. Just about everyone else got a legitimate chance to play up for a game or three: Howden, Chytil, Kaako, Lemieux, Fast(I think even McKegg).

 

Last season DeAngelo and Buchnevich went on record defending Quinn when they would get sent to the press box or the 4th line respectively, and that they genuinely appreciated the clear communication for the moves as that was a component that was largely missing under Vignault. Did Quinn effectively communicate to Andersson regarding his usage during that 17-18 game stint?

 

I guess only Andersson & Quinn really know.

[RangersIn7]

Sure, if you want to throw out the fact that Andersson did absolutely nothing at all in any game across his entire career to show that he would do anything other than what he did, with better players.

 

I feel bad for his personal issues and outlook, but he's just not an NHL level player and I completely disagree that Quinn HAD to do anything other than what he did. That might have satisfied Rangers Twitter, but that's about it.

 

Kid did very little as a Ranger besides have a nice camp this year. His ability and production don’t say anything more than bottom-6 right now, and that’s at best.

He got sent to Hartford because at that point, he BELONGED in Hartford.

Had to be some other stuff going on with him behind the scenes. I don’t think his attitude is in the right place. I don’t think he handled himself well. I do t think the organization handled him well, at least in terms of his mindset.

 

Your point is correct though

 

Doesn’t look like an NHL player

[Pete]

See I think it is somewhere in the middle. I don't buy Pete's narrative that because Quinn didn't put him on the 3rd line, he did nothing to earn it; that is a straw man argument. Quinn as the coach was not obligated to play him in a top 9 role or even with linemates that were capable of legitimately playing in a top 9 role. What he is obligated to do is be consistent and communicate clearly when he is not being consistent. Just about everyone else got a legitimate chance to play up for a game or three: Howden, Chytil, Kaako, Lemieux, Fast(I think even McKegg).

 

Last season DeAngelo and Buchnevich went on record defending Quinn when they would get sent to the press box or the 4th line respectively, and that they genuinely appreciated the clear communication for the moves as that was a component that was largely missing under Vignault. Did Quinn effectively communicate to Andersson regarding his usage during that 17-18 game stint?

 

I guess only Andersson & Quinn really know.

 

And Quinn's addressed this, many many times. The day Lias got sent down, and the day he left. This is the real strawman.

[The Dude]

Of course he didn't HAVE to, he's the coach. He also didn't HAVE to put Chytil on the second line and put Howden on the 3rd.

 

He absolutely had to put Chytil on the 2nd line. There's an obvious difference in talent level between the 3 centers in question. The remaining 2 have a difference in intangibles. Howden does everything you expect from Andersson, but with a bit more grit. Maybe we expect more offence from Andersson for what ever reason.. I think both could play in the same role. For some reason I like Howden and feel they haven't tapped into his offensive ability yet. Just seems like there's more there.

 

Do I think Quinn was harder on Andersson than he should have been? Sure. But I'm also totally fine with giving players icetime based on draft position and expectations, as well as giving them a morale boost by giving them the opportunity with top players. Kinda like how Quinn gave Fast pretty unjustified minutes on the top line. To me that's a message sender as well as a "let's see what happens if this guy is given a role he's never had a chance to be in"..

 

I guess that's why I'm posting on a message board and not coaching a hockey team lol.

 

I wonder if the Hartford locker room is an issue. Is Lettieri that douchie? Maybe that's why Smith fought him last year?

[Pete]

Of course he didn't HAVE to, he's the coach. He also didn't HAVE to put Chytil on the second line and put Howden on the 3rd.

 

Right. He did it because they play the way he wants, and Lias doesn't.

 

Just like every coach in all of sports.

[TwoMinutesForNothing]

Some rumors and some truth out there, but the story seems to be coming into focus more after his mentioning of pain killers and everything else he said. During his interview in Sweden his feet are so injured or swollen or whatever is wrong with them that he was wearing slippers because he can't get them into shoes. He was playing with it while with the big club this year (not sure for how long), and after being sent down. He didn't want to play with it, but Rangers were giving him pain killers and telling him to get out there. This is why he said he had to do what was best for him and leave and let his body recover and he didn't want to take the pain killers.

 

Could be trouble for the organization, if true, not sure how true or how serious the injury was or even whether it's an injury or some sort of chronic condition(his skating has never looked quite right since drafted). I still like the kid and I will root for him to make his way back and be a Ranger, but the relationship may have become too toxic for that to happen after this. I feel bad everyone involved at this point. A 7th overall pick should have been handled better than this in many ways though. Hopefully some things with the organization are looked at after this.

[Pete]

Some rumors and some truth out there, but the story seems to be coming into focus more after his mentioning of pain killers and everything else he said. During his interview in Sweden his feet are so injured or swollen or whatever is wrong with them that he was wearing slippers because he can't get them into shoes. He was playing with it while with the big club this year (not sure for how long), and after being sent down. He didn't want to play with it, but Rangers were giving him pain killers and telling him to get out there. This is why he said he had to do what was best for him and leave and let his body recover and he didn't want to take the pain killers.

 

Could be trouble for the organization, if true, not sure how true or how serious the injury was or even whether it's an injury or some sort of chronic condition(his skating has never looked quite right since drafted). I still like the kid and I will root for him to make his way back and be a Ranger, but the relationship may have become too toxic for that to happen after this. I feel bad everyone involved at this point. A 7th overall pick should have been handled better than this in many ways though. Hopefully some things with the organization are looked at after this.

Wait, what? Where does it say anything about slippers and pain killers?

[TwoMinutesForNothing]

Wait, what? Where does it say anything about slippers and pain killers?

 

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2020/1/8/21057162/lias-andersson-interview-speaks-out

 

There is way more to this than we all have seen or heard and it seems most of it has nothing to do with not getting playing time or being sent down. I read the pain killers thing a couple times in the past few days but I can't remember where at the moment. I'll see if I can find it but I've got to go the bed soon.

[TwoMinutesForNothing]

More here....

 

https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2020/01/08/lias-andersson-breaks-silence-hints-incidents-ny-rangers/2844537001/

 

Rylander reported that the injury is to “both of his feet."

 

“He can’t fit them into a pair of skates,” Rylander said. “He’s going to pay a specialist a visit and get an X-ray to rule out that there is a bone broken. The left foot is the worst.”

[TwoMinutesForNothing]

Found the pills thing. Rusty on posting twitter links so I hope this works.

 

[TwoMinutesForNothing]

Feel pretty bad for the kid. From 7th overall pick to the NY Rangers like a dream come true, to struggles, to finally cracking the roster and then tripping over that wire at the home opener in the Garden, and now to this. I know that it's probably unlikely, but I really hope there's a happy ending to this for both sides at this point and he has a good career for us.

[josh]

If the foot was messed up while he was playing, how would he be able to pass a physical if traded - whether that was the rangers trying to get Puljujarvi, or Anderson’s request.

[LindG1000]

I'm wildly conflicted having read this. On one hand, we all know that hockey players take pills, injections, and frankly, go to great extremes to play even while hurt. That's a thing. It's literally an annual tradition when a team is eliminated to hear about who was playing hurt and to what extent. On the other - this is a year where hockey's culture has been put under a microscope and rightly criticized for it's foibles and failings, and this might just be one of them. Doubly so with the focus that sites like the Players Tribune and podcasts like Spittin' Chiclets have been able to put on the extents to which enforcers, specifically, went to be able to play night in and night out and the impact it had on them.

 

I need more info, but I'm sufficiently disturbed by the accusation that they just wouldn't let him heal. He's a kid playing 10 minutes a night. Why the fuck won't you let him heal?

[BrooksBurner]

If the foot was messed up while he was playing, how would he be able to pass a physical if traded - whether that was the rangers trying to get Puljujarvi, or Anderson?s request.

 

Bingo. If the painkillers bit is true, who would trade for him and why would he think a team would trade for him if he couldn't play? Nah.

 

I also really doubt the Rangers are forcing painkillers on a 20 y.o. prospect to play 10 min a night. They would have just rehabbed him. And I find it even harder to believe they would send him down to Hartford and force it on him so he can play down there.

 

None of this sounds right. If he didn't make a trade request and just stepped away from the team, this story would be more likely to be true.

[Pete]

I still don't see a quote that says he was on painkillers. It's a body of an Instagram post, that doesn't even link to the article or the translation.

 

Sounds like major BS to me.

[LindG1000]

I still don't see a quote that says he was on painkillers. It's a body of an Instagram post, that doesn't even link to the article or the translation.

 

Sounds like major BS to me.

 

I believe this to be the article in question. Unfortunately, I do not have a subscription to the Gothenburg Post.

 

The direct translation of the headline dovetails w/Vince's tweet/post.

 

Rylander - the reporter in question - also retweeted the article from Lohud

 

The painkillers bit remains an open question, but the rest seems at least....somewhat from the horses mouth. Still, he's 20 and we're in a rebuilding season, and he's barely getting a crack at the lineup. Why is he being forced to play through injury?