Sod16 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Panarin, Fox, LaF, Kakko: all bequeathed on the team through no skill or action on the part of management. Where would this team be now and what would the future look like without them? There would still be a couple of solid potential but essentially unproven players like Miller, but Goodrow and Zib probably wouldn't have signed long term and the roster would be crap. This question particularly comes into focus with the apparent total failure of 7th and 9th overall picks in successive years, something that in of itself would be a disaster for most any other rebuilding team. A GM for about 25 of the teams has to ask "where would the Rangers be if they had been dealt the hand that I have had to play?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Bottom dwellers. Simply stated. Laf and Fox will go on to be franchise cornerstones in 2-3 years. The implosion of Krav and Lias are concerning considering how much those picks could put us in a much different spot than we stand right now with two successful picks. Lame. Now Krav will spend the early part of his career trying to prove the Rangers wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphinity 2.0 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Panarin was a gift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 The flip side of this is that if they didnt draft Laf or Kakko, Krav may have gotten the chance he feels he deserves already and this may not even be an issue. Lets be hoenst, both Laf and Kakko were gifted ice time in their first seasons. In every rebuild there are always bad picks. Krav isnt a bad pick so much as he is a bad development if that makes sense. Even if he never plays another game for the rangers they may still get value from him. Lias was terrible all around. Who ever pushed for that should be (might already be) fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Panarin was a gift in the sense that he really wanted to only come to the Rangers, and it was Gorton's job not to screw it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, siddious said: The flip side of this is that if they didnt draft Laf or Kakko, Krav may have gotten the chance he feels he deserves already and this may not even be an issue. Lets be hoenst, both Laf and Kakko were gifted ice time in their first seasons. In every rebuild there are always bad picks. Krav isnt a bad pick so much as he is a bad development if that makes sense. Even if he never plays another game for the rangers they may still get value from him. Lias was terrible all around. Who ever pushed for that should be (might already be) fired. Wasn't Lias slated as a second rounder? They took him in the top 10. lol Awful. They thought he was "NHL ready". He may be, he did make the Kings' roster, just perhaps not the kind of player they were hoping for....or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphinity 2.0 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Panarin was a gift in the sense that he really wanted to only come to the Rangers, and it was Gorton's job not to screw it up. I feel like that's underselling how difficult it is to land a free agent, especially a high profile one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Just now, Sharpshooter said: Wasn't Lias slated as a second rounder? They took him in the top 10. lol Awful. They thought he was "NHL ready". He may be, he did make the Kings' roster, just perhaps not the kind of player they were hoping for....or something. Yea and he most likely would have been there in the second round to take as well. I still remember how confused the announcers were after the pick. Rangers staff always think they're the smartest guys in the room in the first round and its hardly if ever true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, siddious said: Yea and he most likely would have been there in the second round to take as well. I still remember how confused the announcers were after the pick. Rangers staff always think they're the smartest guys in the room in the first round and its hardly if ever true. Right. I think Krav was considered kind of a reach too, no? I did like the pick, even if Wahlstrom was there for the taking. I thought he'd be talented enough to where you wouldn't feel too badly about passing up there. He is talented, but there were other....issues. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Morphinity said: I feel like that's underselling how difficult it is to land a free agent, especially a high profile one. Fair enough. But, it sounded like he'd be after they made him a good enough offer. If I recall he left money on the table to come here. I believe the Islanders offered him more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Morphinity said: I feel like that's underselling how difficult it is to land a free agent, especially a high profile one. Gorton literally admitted, recently, I think on a podcast, that "Panarin was always coming to New York," and said some shit like "it was my job to not screw it up." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Just now, Sharpshooter said: Fair enough. But, it sounded like he'd be after they made him a good enough offer. If I recall he left money on the table to come here. I believe the Islanders offered him more money. They did. So did Colorado. They offered like $14 million, but for shorter term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 We don’t know who they would’ve drafted so you can’t really say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said: Right. I think Krav was considered kind of a reach too, no? I did like the pick, even if Wahlstrom was there for the taking. I thought he'd be talented enough to where you wouldn't feel too badly about passing up there. He is talented, but there were other....issues. lol I think so too but less of an off the board if I remember correctly. There was a lot to like about Krav even if he was taken a bit too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Right. I think Krav was considered kind of a reach too, no? I did like the pick, even if Wahlstrom was there for the taking. I thought he'd be talented enough to where you wouldn't feel too badly about passing up there. He is talented, but there were other....issues. lol Sure - a bit. But outside like the top 3 in most drafts, the whole lot of it is negotiable. Heck - hindsight being what it is three years out - think Buffalo takes Dahlin knowing what Svech and Tkachuk and Hughes became? Think there's any way the Islanders go Wahlstrom/Dobson when they could have gone Farabee/Smith? It's all circumstance against consensus and trusting your systems to grow the players. And not to turn this into yet another Kravtsov thread - it's not like he's busted and it's not like we've fucked up his development, so who are we to say that was a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 If if, ands and buts were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 As for the rest of it? Who cares? We got them. We got Panarin. We got 2 straight top 2 picks. We got Fox a year earlier than we otherwise would have. Working the system and getting the benefit of circumstance is part of the deal. The only differences we'd have are the constant complaints about how we never have the luck to win the lottery and marginally less complaining about the Kreider/Trouba deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Yeah, the Rangers have actually had quite a few breaks these last few years and they're drafting has been pretty solid otherwise. It's put them in good shape going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 bUcHnEvIcH wOuLd PrObAbLy StIlL bE hErE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Everyone wanted to rebuild for year. Hell, decades. Even during the Henrik prime years. Both a blessing and a curse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) I haven't seen Marvel's what if yet so please no spoilers. Jokes aside, other than banter fodder, it's a pointless discussion. Would the Rangers have won the cup if Sauer and Cherapanov didn't meat untimely ends? How about MZA's head injury in the playoffs? And let's not forget Hank. Maybe they'd been so bad without "the gifts" that they'd have picked low for multiple seasons and gotten the same draft picks. Idk Edited October 14, 2021 by torontonyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said: If if, ands and buts were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas. What if your Jewish though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 This is the answer to the question, btw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Phil said: Gorton literally admitted, recently, I think on a podcast, that "Panarin was always coming to New York," and said some shit like "it was my job to not screw it up." It was aided by particularly fortuitous circumstances, though. Ryan Spooner's contract, which had some retention from the Rangers, being bought out by Vancouver gave the Rangers extra cap space in the 11th hour to up their contract offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 What's the point of this? "If half the team wasn't here, this team would STINK!" No shit. People complained when they traded for Fox. Remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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