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He's not good. It was always a risk when you're picking up back up goalies from the scrap heap.

How does Kane make this a contending team? They cannot defend and they don't compete for 60 minutes

You're fine and mine are a totally different thing. This is not the same player they had the first two years. Last year he wasn't the same either. People will say look at his points but anyone who watches this team and is honest knows he's not been the same player. People even now try to say his playoffs were ok too because well look at the points. This is a bad team. Everything people complain about with this team is emphasized in Panarin's game. The Rangers need structure, compete, and will. This team is not going to score it's way to a cup. So they better get their shit together as a system. They better learn to defend. It's an effort to score goals so it might behoove them to make team's earn them too. It's really not about whether Panarin is a great player or not. It's whether he's a fit to what the Rangers need.

I din't realize he got an assist last night. Thank god for the meaningless 2nd assist or he'd have no points in the last 7.

Panarin 2 goals in his last 16 games. 1 point in his last 7 games, an assist. Have all the conversations you like about a league minimum backup goalie. The $11.5M man. is failing this team just like he did in the playoffs. This team needs a facelift and it's obvious where the money is in order to do that facelift.

I'm actually ok with Chytil and kakko as I think both are good players who if given some power play time would put respectable numbers. They are noticeable every game and they have tangible strengths to their game that are easily identified. Laff is another story. I don't see anything that resembles anything special. Right now you hope his career is as good as Goodrow. There is nothing I feel he does above average and there seems to be no growth. I honestly believe kakko is going to be stud in time. Chytil for the money and as a third line center is plenty productive and has the ability to be more. Staying healthy for him is the key. He's already a good player at this stage and a productive one. Every time he sees to get into a grove he gets hurt though. That needs to stop.

I guess but people on here tend not to allow for either conversation when it comes to a guy like Fox. Fox was playing bad hockey for him. Points aside. Panarin, Mika, Kreider, and Trouba have all struggled this year. That doesn't make them bad players but ignoring that reality isn't a logical take either. The constant drum beat on this forum anyway is that the Rangers problems are the bottom 6. The bottom 6 is a problem but why? It's a problem because it was built to be a problem. This team is constructed as a top heavy team. There is big money throughout paid to stars. That left kids and misfits to fill out the bottom 6. The stars are not performing. They get their points on the power play but they are getting worked 5 on 5. The problem with this team is the top 6, structure and desire. Intensity is not Panarin, Kreider, Mika, Fox's strong suit. None of them are going to mixed up for guys skating through a brick wall to win a game. They are all passive players. Highly skilled but extremely passive. The only big money leader on this team that plays with emotion and grit is Trouba. Yet he does so without hockey sense in a lot of ways. This team is a reflection of their stars, like any team really. They are skilled but they are unwilling/unable to out work or out will anybody. Going to the net, playing tough defense, getting second chances, forechecking/backchecking, protecting their net, etc are all things that don't require elite skill yet they are all things this team does not do. You cannot rely on your bottom 6 to be your only source of these things. It has to be a complete team effort. Those deficiencies are a direct reflection of the leaders on this team. Some of them have to go. It's just a bad mix

I find it hard to fathom how a team with no cap space who stinks has basically all their players producing to their cap hits. Something is off

Passionless is the best adjective to me. Dirty goals don't go into slumps. Going to the net and feasting on rebounds may not be pretty but all they require is the will to do so. The Rangers can look so damn good when things are clicking but when they aren't they look disinterested. Too much skill on this team and not enough will. It's not a new problem, it's one they have chose to ignore for the most part.

I think the response was to the fact that people rightly were calling Fox's game into question, being it's a Rangers forum, at the time. Since than he's picked his game up and now there are those who want to make believe like he didn't;t have struggles. It's ok to talk about negatives here and not be the enemy of the Rangers or their fans. Being the Rangers best player makes him even more open to criticism not less. When he struggles those struggles become more obvious because of how important he is to the team's success

Oh no is this a Panarin thread?

Didn't see that. Thank you

Just read that Panarin is in Russia. any concern that he gets stuck there? He doesn't have a great relationship with Putin. I believe Kaprisov is having trouble leaving. With all that happened two years ago and Panarin reportedly taking leave to address issues in Russia then is it not something to worry about. Clearly Putin is even more psychotic now and has zero to lose. Seems to me Panarin should get out of there as soon as possible.

It's equally tiring to read the praises in December only to watch him cower come playoff time.

I think if they trade them it should be for players who are going to be here longer than a couple of months.

Kucherov is nothing like Panarin. He had yrs of quality playoff performances before that yr. Does nobody remember him when the Rangers were playing in the ECF? Kucherov also has a nasty cheap streak in him. He's a dirty player, kind of like Malkin. I wish Panarin would show some of that

100%, pts. aren't everything . Every one of those questions elicits negative response.

No I'm just used to doing these things with crayons not computers.

Obviously I don't like the player. The reasons I don't like him is the reason why I believe he's overpaid & detriment to the team. I don't believe in him being the guy to lead the team to win the toughest trophy in sports. I also believe that it's possible to trde his contract without getting the total $11.5M back. Money is coming back but savings is possible. If his contract is right then other's will be lining up to make it work. I believe other GMS believe what I believe. They would want retention in trading for him because @ $11.5M, his contract would negatively effect other roster decisions to the point getting him is pointless.

I'm not arguing that his contract ws bd when they signed him. Covid happened & while we cry bout it the league & the world moved on. The league's standard for competition adjusted. I'm very simply saying the team needs to explore their options in getting out from his contract nd building in other direction. Doesn't infer that his contract ws awful when signed, it's just hindering now. Yes because the cp didn't go up. Covid isn't going to be the excuse why I'm not locking up Miller & Lf long term. Nobody cares bout Covid, move on. The rest of the league will without you

I'm fine with that. I don't need agreement. Just not goofy, ignorant nd plying with crayons. Big difference.

Better spent on. more complete player. I don't view points s the end of it. He's perimeter player who hs. questionable compete level. He's skilled s fuck, no doubt. However if I'm paying top 3 money it better be perfect player. He is not even close. The guys he's $ like, re centers, which is so much more important. They also put up lot more gols nd I don't have to mess with the numbers to get to 100 pt yrs. The playoffs while some my think I'm overblowing made it crystal clear the he's very flawed player. Skilled nd productive during the regular season but also easily confined to the point of being irrelevant when the teams get used to each other. Tht is not the case with his peers making his money.

I get it. My opinion is his contact is. problem for what he provides & the opportunity cost of keeping him. I don't see why it's so controversial to keep this opinion or how I'm being willfully ignorant.

He can go be the superstar elsewhere then.

100%. Couldn't happen unless P@nri@n went to the Flames. Detriment to the team, exactly my point.