Keirik

Since the end of 2010, the Rangers are like 32-7 against the Hurricanes. I wonder how much that plays into their voting lol.

I must spread it around but wanted to let you know you’re making a lot of good points here

Any truth to the rumor that Tampa and Carolina voting no to the return format?

Because he’s been in the league half the time Strome has and he’s 23. Come on, you know there is a big difference between regression of going from a 50 point player to a perennial 30 pt player until discovering Panarin et all are good and a player changing from 20 years old to 23 years old. To be honest, I don’t even know why Strome is coming up here. ADA does has a higher ceiling than a Strome in my opinion. I think both need to be retained though.

Well I suppose we will see. I get he took a hard stand but that doesn’t mean these two sides can’t get a 2-3 year deal for under 6m. He still is an RFA. Still up in the air if this pandemic helps or hurts any contract negotiations too.

I think that might be less to do with a lane and more to do with Strome being 26 and in his 7th year in the league of a yo-yo career. ADA is 23. Personally I think they need both of them.

It’s not that teams wouldn’t be interested in him. It’s that there really aren’t that many cost effective wingers that put up impactful numbers and aren’t about to break the bank and the ones that are, teams that have them tend not to deal. Think Zibanejad. At 5.9m the Rangers would be nuts to deal him.

Who are we trading our 60-70 point 23 year old rfa for that is going to be equal to in talent, production, age, and cost controlled? Or are we talking to dump ADA for a 40-50 point player?

And that will happen (other things changing) if you let your team develop and gel as a team and system. Shesh for a full year, Kakko develop, Chytl, ziby continue the upswing, Fox and ADA improve, losing the excess “baggage” for lack of a better word in Staal, Smith, and to a lesser extent Henrik. I don’t see this team nearly as far away as you I guess but that’s the beauty of opinions. There are some seriously good core pieces here. I don’t see the need to trade one of them.

A large reason we are on the up is because of ADA. You just don’t get rid of that. Offensively Fox is good but ADA is a large step above in my opinion. He improves the offense just be being an elite threat back there. I’ll never understand this logic of getting rid of a 23 yr old elite offensive d because we have a 21 year old 40 point rookie d. If ADA is really worth a truckload then I’d rather keep that talent in the first place. Try to lock him up for the next 2-3 years. Fox is an RFA for the start of the 22/23 season. The bigger decision can be made then. It’s also when Kakko hits RFA, Ziby UFA, and possibly Buch if his RFA deal is only a one year show me. That’s two more seasons worth of keeping threats together for a cup run. That is still the goal right?

I still do not see it working and I think from an integrity point, it makes no sense to resume when the clear focus should be on getting next year right and as “normal” as possible.

Yes. A lot of Rangers offensive production has directly improved because of Panarins presence on this team

Lol news must be slow for this to be talked about. He looks like most 40 year old nhlers that aren’t impact players-anymore

Maybe they can draw more fans than the Islanders

I think one of the big things the NHL is very worried about is the fact that there is a real possibility that regardless of them playing this year, next year already has the potential to be impacted and there is no guarantee that next season has fans in the building to start it off. For any pro league, that combined with no recouped revenue right now would be crippling for its future.

Hell, if we end up with the 7th pick and a team like Chicago or someone looking for a goalie to take Georgie and out pick for the number 3 pick something like that. Isn’t this a deep draft?

It’s irrelevant. I just meant placeholder deal. In terms of Shesty, I figure they might do a 2-3 year deal if Georgie is still around taking 30+ starts still wahich helps keeps Shestys contract more of a conventional deal before his big payday.

You mean like a bridge until there is an opening for the real deal? Yup:)

Yup. I count that as bridge. It says we will pay you about take this place holder for today, you’ll be really paid tomorrow. Really not much more to it but yeah, boredom makes us discuss things far too literal lol

Alright. I didn’t mean bridge deal as in 2m per. I think you’re reading too much into it. Technically, Hanks second deal was his bridge deal before getting an 8.5m deal. Poor choice of words by me. I just meant his second contract which would be in between what he eventually makes at top pay for lack of a better term. Some players (McDavid, Eichel, Crosby) went straight to a top contract after his entry.

I totally get what you are saying and I’d say the sentiment on keeping Hank seems to be like what you just said in a nutshell. Neither Georgie not Hank are part of the future so keep Hank because it saves you the bad optics. I’m kind of looking at this from the 21/22 season. Hopefully at that time Sheshty is in the first year of his own bridge deal putting up fantastic numbers and Georgie is in the last of his bridge putting up somewhere in the .915 save % and good stats on a team that is in the upper echelon of the league. That’s the point. We either are at a point where we have every chance to trade him at a value a bit higher for a piece that might help us or we keep him as insurance if we just think we are too close and need goalie insurance.

For the record btw, its nice to discuss hockey again even if we disagree. Trust me, I really hate to see this happen to Hank. I just don't see a logical way where keeping him is the best decision for the future of this team though and I don't just want to win, I want to build a team that wins for years to come. At some point business has to overrule the heart.

Yes i fully think two years from now they would have moved on from Georgiev as well. But at that point he either has shown NHL starter stuff with another 60+ games under his belt and has an NHL career of about 120 starts or shows to be backup and we let him go. If he shows to be a starter, he likely improves his numbers and is a lot more valuable to a team via trade for a 26 year old that has another 60+ starts under is belt. Our prospects from what I remember are Wall and Huska. Huska didnt exactly steal the show after Sheshy left. Very average. Wall is coming out of college so who knows what he is yet facing next level competition. I get that neither one would be brought in as a starter but teams dont build a winning organization by just saying "okay, we are set in goal so lets just build backups." There are a ton of different scenarios that are plausable where Sheshty ends up not playing either be regressing, injury, who the hell knows. In my mind, there just is no way in the world its smart hockey to get rid of a 24 year old goalie starting his career because we decided an aging 8m former franchise goalie needs his spot on the bench for one more season. If anything, this quarantine situation and the possibility of an amnesty buyout makes it even less sense to keep Hank around. Hell, if they decided to really go for that Exception Player rule ( i don't think they would. I think they would just an amnesty buyout) then I still buyout Hank normally and use the Exception on Panarin. Then we really are talking about some nice wiggle room for years to come when guys like Ziby are on their next contract. Just my opinion. Try to keep the guy that has a possibility to trend up, not move him for the guy trending down for years.

Well it's not just about saving cap space. It's also about what's best for the teams future. The fact there is also some cap space, albeit small amount extra, is a nice by product. Down the line if Gio is a starter, let's say in year 2 of a 3 year contract or even at an expiring year, then he is also a much more valuable trade option for us and probably for a piece that might make the difference of a cup run. Having two young talented starting goalies would be a problem I'll sign up for any day of the week especially since I really don't think Georgie is breaking bank on this rfa contract coming up. Georgie is much more tradeable the more time he has under his belt playing.

But how do we know at this point that Georgiev is a career backup? Even at a bridge 2-3 year deal for Georgie we are still in a better position than Hank for next year and then plugging a hole the following year with someone that either has zero experience or another veteran of diminished skill. It’s not like Georgie is going to cost big money right now.