Phil Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Most just saw highlights and said they “watch” Depending on the number of highlights you're watching, I'd argue that counts. Enough to make a judgment call, at least. But the ones who matter — the guys who truly follow the game at a prospect level — almost all had Wahlstrom ranked ahead of Kravstov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Depending on the number of highlights you're watching, I'd argue that counts. But the ones who matter — the guys who truly follow the game at a prospect level — almost all had Wahlstrom ranked ahead of Kravstov. The thing about highlights...They don't show lowlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 The thing about highlights...They don't show lowlights. For sure. Which is why I appeal to authority on drafting, generally speaking. Scouts watching kids play all year long know way more than I do, watching sparingly (if at all). But that doesn't remove my ability to criticize the Rangers when they clearly reach for a player universally ranked lower than he's taken. Andersson, for example, or McIlrath in a more extreme case. I don't think it's at all out of bounds to say, on average, taking the 12th ranked player (aggregate) with the 8th pick isn't sound strategy. If it works out, great. Thus far it appears they're right on Kravstov over Wahlstrom. But the jury is still largely out on both as neither is in the NHL yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 For sure. Which is why I appeal to authority on drafting, generally speaking. Scouts watching kids play all year long know way more than I do, watching sparingly (if at all). But that doesn't remove my ability to criticize the Rangers when they clearly reach for a player universally ranked lower than he's taken. Andersson, for example, or McIlrath in a more extreme case. I don't think it's at all out of bounds to say, on average, taking the 12th ranked player (aggregate) with the 8th pick isn't sound strategy. If it works out, great. Thus far it appears they're right on Kravstov over Wahlstrom. But the jury is still largely out on both as neither is in the NHL yet. The small ice is the great equalizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Didnt watch the third, today. Didnt seem to have the puck on his stick as much this game, but was always in scoring/shooting position. Teammates failed to give him the puck, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Lose 1-0 to SKA. No shame in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveIn94 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 For sure. Which is why I appeal to authority on drafting, generally speaking. Scouts watching kids play all year long know way more than I do, watching sparingly (if at all). But that doesn't remove my ability to criticize the Rangers when they clearly reach for a player universally ranked lower than he's taken. Andersson, for example, or McIlrath in a more extreme case. I don't think it's at all out of bounds to say, on average, taking the 12th ranked player (aggregate) with the 8th pick isn't sound strategy. If it works out, great. Thus far it appears they're right on Kravstov over Wahlstrom. But the jury is still largely out on both as neither is in the NHL yet.Jury's still out on Andersson, I think. I see your overall point though. Sent from my Z981 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRangers723 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Didnt watch the third, today. Didnt seem to have the puck on his stick as much this game, but was always in scoring/shooting position. Teammates failed to give him the puck, though Yeah thats been a theme all year for that team. Kravstov could have a lot more points if they could finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 For sure. Which is why I appeal to authority on drafting, generally speaking. Scouts watching kids play all year long know way more than I do, watching sparingly (if at all). But that doesn't remove my ability to criticize the Rangers when they clearly reach for a player universally ranked lower than he's taken. Andersson, for example, or McIlrath in a more extreme case. I don't think it's at all out of bounds to say, on average, taking the 12th ranked player (aggregate) with the 8th pick isn't sound strategy. If it works out, great. Thus far it appears they're right on Kravstov over Wahlstrom. But the jury is still largely out on both as neither is in the NHL yet. I agree in general, but the difference between players ranked 8-12 usually comes down to preference rather than a significant gap in quality. It's also worth noting that in Kravtov's case, he really was a late riser due to his playoff performance. Who knows where he'd be ranked if he played a similar role during the regular season. I think with Russian players there's always an element of familiarity or lack thereof. in literally every draft there is a Russian kid going late who turns out to be absolute dynamite. I also felt that there's was too little weight given to the effect of Wahlstrom riding shotgun with Jack Hughes. I mean you can only imagine the type of numbers Kravtsov would put up playing alongside Hughes against kids rather than in the KHL. That being said, we still don't know how this pans out. Maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong. Maybe Wahlstrom comes into the league and pots 40 a season and make them look like total pricks for not selecting him. So far it's looking good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveIn94 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I agree in general, but the difference between players ranked 8-12 usually comes down to preference rather than a significant gap in quality. It's also worth noting that in Kravtov's case, he really was a late riser due to his playoff performance. Who knows where he'd be ranked if he played a similar role during the regular season. I think with Russian players there's always an element of familiarity or lack thereof. in literally every draft there is a Russian kid going late who turns out to be absolute dynamite. I also felt that there's was too little weight given to the effect of Wahlstrom riding shotgun with Jack Hughes. I mean you can only imagine the type of numbers Kravtsov would put up playing alongside Hughes against kids rather than in the KHL. That being said, we still don't know how this pans out. Maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong. Maybe Wahlstrom comes into the league and pots 40 a season and make them look like total pricks for not selecting him. So far it's looking good though.Russian kid going late...paging Nikita Kucherov picked in the second round no.51 Sent from my Z981 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I agree in general, but the difference between players ranked 8-12 usually comes down to preference rather than a significant gap in quality. It's also worth noting that in Kravtov's case, he really was a late riser due to his playoff performance. Who knows where he'd be ranked if he played a similar role during the regular season. I think with Russian players there's always an element of familiarity or lack thereof. in literally every draft there is a Russian kid going late who turns out to be absolute dynamite. I also felt that there's was too little weight given to the effect of Wahlstrom riding shotgun with Jack Hughes. I mean you can only imagine the type of numbers Kravtsov would put up playing alongside Hughes against kids rather than in the KHL. That being said, we still don't know how this pans out. Maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong. Maybe Wahlstrom comes into the league and pots 40 a season and make them look like total pricks for not selecting him. So far it's looking good though. More like, can you imagine Hughes' production boost playing with Mogilny Jr amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 He’d be sitting on 400 points imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Head Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 More like, can you imagine Hughes' production boost playing with Mogilny Jr amirite? Hughes won?t be dependent on others for the boost Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Pronman's report on the best players from the U20 4 nations: Russia’s top line of Denisenko, Vitali Kravtsov (NYR) and Nikolai Kovalenko (COL): This was the best line at the tournament, with the line exploding for five goals in one game. Kravtsov wasn’t as dominant as he was at the August tournament but he was still good, playing with pace and skill. Interestingly to me, Russia deployed him as the center, which I’ve never seen him play before. Russia is deep on wings but thin down the middle this season for the WJC, so this could carry over to the real tournament. Kovalenko was no slouch, either. He made plays, competed hard and seemed to have an extra jump in his step from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 No points for scrub Kravtsov today but Christian Thomas getting chance on top line and scores twice lol Traktor wins again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Not about Kravtsov, but norwegian Mathias Emilio Pettersen (drafted 167th overall by Flames this year) has 11 more points than Wahlstrom in NCAA so far this season. Pettersen is also 2 months younger and is only 5'10. I wanted Rangers to take him so badly... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Even K'Andre is comfortably outscoring the tubby one in the NCAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Even K'Andre is comfortably outscoring the tubby one in the NCAA. yeah, but he's not norwegian :D Would be fun to see Emilio make it to the big league. He would be the new norwegian midget in the league lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 yeah, but he's not norwegian :D Would be fun to see Emilio make it to the big league. He would be the new norwegian midget in the league lol Yeah, that would be good. I think the Flames made a good pick there. I played against his dad quite a few times, many moons ago. He played for M/S back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Yeah, that would be good. I think the Flames made a good pick there. I played against his dad quite a few times, many moons ago. He played for M/S back in the day. Seriously? haha, thats cool. How/why did you play against M/S? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Seriously? haha, thats cool. How/why did you play against M/S? I played for Frisk in the early 90's before moving to North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I played for Frisk in the early 90's before moving to North America. Hah, that's cool. Can you speak norwegian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Hah, that's cool. Can you speak norwegian? Yes. I am Norwegian and grew up there though, so it's not really that impressive. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Yes. I am Norwegian and grew up there though, so it's not really that impressive. :p :palm: how didn't I know that lol. You ditched this beautiful place for the US? damn... :pbjtime: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Well, it was better playing hockey there. I'm back here now though :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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