[friedman] DeAngelo Clears Waivers Following Fight with Georgiev; Won't Play for Rangers Again

[Keirik]

Bigger and better as in lottery pick. Can't wait to damage this one too.

 

The good news is that eventually we will have to move on from Quinnless so he can go back to coaching amateurs

[RodrigueGabriel]

My take with all of this is something else not being said happened after game 1 and before game 4 when he was back in the lineup. No way Gorton says that about hearing your name one more time unless there was something in the middle. We all know there was zero chance of no issue ever again with ADA and Quinn even if it was minor so this was a path on its way to happening at some point. Still, I don’t get how we brought him back in a week into the season he was told this. Seems like a mess from every angle. Cut our losses and ,ove on to bigger and better.

 

I agree. There was some kvetching or attitude after the benching that got him into that conversation with Gorton.

[The Dude]

Hard to have a discussion with you because your just not based in reality.

 

You literally can’t prove any of this and your whole argument is based on your perception of this incorrect narrative.

 

Incorrect how? It happened. Gorton said that. Quinn obviously went to him and said that he is still bent on the benching. It's right there!!

 

Did Gorton not say that if he hears anything about him he's putting him on waivers? Did he not say DeAngelo was still not happy about the benching?

How does he know that and decide its a bad thing?

 

And how does the fight not get any talk. They didn't mention anything about it, yet they waive him after it..

 

I honestly hope there's more to it than just a pouting player playing poorly. Because the reasons given aren't good enough IMO to cut ties with him. Gotta be more. Maybe there is and they are keeping a lid on it until he is moved or bought out.

[Pete]

Incorrect how? It happened. Gorton said that. Quinn obviously went to him and said that he is still bent on the benching. It's right there!!

 

Did Gorton not say that if he hears anything about him he's putting him on waivers? Did he not say DeAngelo was still not happy about the benching?

How does he know that and decide its a bad thing?

You're clearly unaware that at times GM's talk directly to players.

 

For Christ's sakes JD said he talked to Tony directly.

 

At this point we have to assume that you're trolling with this intentional obtuseness.

[RodrigueGabriel]

Put on waivers for being pissed (and arguably for good reason) at a two game scratch for a meaningless penalty in garbage time in the NHL, and then getting punched in tne face after a ill timed private comment. They either think they're running a College program, or they were looking for a way out, and it was really his behavior over the offseason that did him in.

 

All of the most awful shit said about the incident turned out to be false, and people will still prattle on about him essentially not being fit for society, and functionally unemployable in his own country.

 

I didn't say any of those things. I said that he was unable to stay within the lines of acceptable conduct in his profession. Gorton appears to have laid those lines out in painstaking detail. ADA couldn't control his shit enough to make the grade.

 

If the trade market is as live as Brisson says, then I'm wrong about other GMs. But there's a red flashing buyer beware.

[Pete]

I didn't say any of those things. I said that he was unable to stay within the lines of acceptable conduct in his profession. Gorton appears to have laid those lines out in painstaking detail. ADA couldn't control his shit enough to make the grade.

This is really the Crux of it. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut and play hockey. And keeping his mouth shut was too hard.

[The Dude]

I didn't say any of those things. I said that he was unable to stay within the lines of acceptable conduct in his profession. Gorton appears to have laid those lines out in painstaking detail. ADA couldn't control his shit enough to make the grade.

 

If the trade market is as live as Brisson says, then I'm wrong about other GMs. But there's a red flashing buyer beware.

 

I don't think you're wrong about other Gms. If anyone wanted him they would have claimed him and made room on their roster for him. Hope I'm wrong. I'd like to see the guy play elsewhere. Far elsewhere.

[Phil]

I didn't say any of those things. I said that he was unable to stay within the lines of acceptable conduct in his profession. Gorton appears to have laid those lines out in painstaking detail. ADA couldn't control his shit enough to make the grade.

 

If the trade market is as live as Brisson says, then I'm wrong about other GMs. But there's a red flashing buyer beware.

 

I also don't trust his agents assessment of the market. His agent is supposed to say that. If anything, if other teams are lining up to trade for him, it's to fleece the Rangers by throwing them an anvil, not because they badly want DeAngelo. They could have traded for him after he signed his deal and the team first shopped him or claimed him for free off waivers this morning. They did neither.

[Phil]

Here's the whole presser:

 

Link:

[josh]

Here's the whole presser:

 

Link:

 

JD mentioned 'trickle down' when asked if his social media accounts were a factor. LOL

 

(the answer was no)

[Pete]

JD mentioned 'trickle down' when asked if his social media accounts were a factor. LOL

 

(the answer was no)

Sprinkles on a shit sundae.

[Rangers]

I don't think you're wrong about other Gms. If anyone wanted him they would have claimed him and made room on their roster for him. Hope I'm wrong. I'd like to see the guy play elsewhere. Far elsewhere.

 

KHL, China?

[pws85nyr]

KHL, China?

 

Well Covid isn?t real so he should be just fine playing in either...

 

 

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[Phil]

Carp is now backpedaling on what was believed to be his initial support of Herman's claim regarding puck gate, now denying it ever happened:

 

First, and I don’t know how I got caught in this dumpster fire, I was on TSN1050 in Toronto between snowblowings, and asked about the story that DeAngelo had taken the puck from K’Andre Miller’s first NHL goal and refused to give it to the rookie. I didn’t read that story but had sure enough heard about it, so I did some checking with people who were in the room, and was told it was “1000 percent false.” I don’t ever use more than 100 percent myself, but this is what I was told. Quite convincingly. I was told that DeAngelo retrieved the puck for the kid and handed it to the trainers, who always put a piece of tape around such mementos with the date, the name and “first NHL goal” or some such inscription. I was told that is exactly the way it happened.

 

I was asked about it on the radio and I started to say that sometimes there is some playful rookie “hazing” for the lack of a better word, where somebody pretends the puck (or the baseball in the big leagues) is lost, and it panics the player. That somehow was taken as me saying that DeAngelo did hold on to the puck and maybe jokingly kept it from Miller. And that’s not what I said, nor what happened.

 

He confirmed Georgiev threw the first punch (with his blocker still on), and that DeAngelo harassed him down the tunnel:

 

But I’ve been able to confirm one thing that did happen, and I’m shocked, frankly. I even laughed off people on Twitter who suggested it. Georgiev did indeed throw the first punch in the skirmish with DeAngelo — I’m told he landed it, with his blocker on, and then had DeAngelo in a headlock. DeAngelo had been riding him in the tunnel about failing to make a save on the Sidney Crosby overtime goal and Georgiev snapped, apparently.

 

He also tacitly confirmed/approved Brooks' report that Miller broke up the fight, which the team, I believe, denied? So still muddy here:

 

And the story is that it was actually Miller who broke up the fight — according to Larry Brooks of the Post. I haven’t confirmed that, but my general rule of thumb is to not refute what Brooks reports.

 

https://theathletic.com/2361327/2021/02/02/final-thoughts-on-tony-deangelo-as-rangers-turn-the-page-with-a-win/

[BrooksBurner]

I am. It says DeAngelo was annoyed about his benching. The one Quinn handed him. The one for taking an emotional penalty of slamming a penalty box door and chirping at the refs at the tail end of a blow out... This most certainly is Quinn running to Gorton and being a fucking taddle tale because the player was vocal against him.

 

The Rangers are parting ways with their top offensive producing D man and labeling him a problem, because he disagrees with the losing coach who has lost the lock room.

 

This is baby shit. "I told him if I heard ONE bad word about him I'd put him on waivers.. and our losrr coach said something. So I have to follow through. Scouts honor."

 

Bullshit. This team is going to be a lottery team AGAIN., thanks to our GM being a Literal Larry, and our coach running to him saying the player has to go...

 

How you see it in some other way, defies reality.

 

To be honest, this sounds pretty accurate. Either the coach (or a player(s)) must have gone to the GM about it, unless everyone thinks Gorton was there in the tunnel (and give me a fucking break - use common sense here - he wasn't there). I think you are probably right in that Quinn went to Gorton. And Quinn would have known DeAngelo's short leash. So there you go...

[josh]

Carp is now backpedaling on what was believed to be his initial support of Herman's claim regarding puck gate, now denying it ever happened:

 

 

 

He confirmed Georgiev threw the first punch (with his blocker still on), and that DeAngelo harassed him down the tunnel:

 

 

 

He also tacitly confirmed/approved Brooks' report that Miller broke up the fight, which the team, I believe, denied? So still muddy here:

 

 

 

https://theathletic.com/2361327/2021/02/02/final-thoughts-on-tony-deangelo-as-rangers-turn-the-page-with-a-win/

 

It's the sad state of current media. Writers are telling you what to think and creating their own stories, not reporting on 'news'.

 

This shit probably cost the Rangers an asset via trade.

[Phil]

It's the sad state of current media. Writers are telling you what to think and creating their own stories, not reporting on 'news'.

 

This shit probably cost the Rangers an asset via trade.

 

Well, to be fair, it's hard to report on things you can't see because you can't be in the building due to pandemic restrictions. This wouldn't normally happen this way.

[The Dude]

Herman isn't credentialed for games, so he isn't following them that closely, either. But like any other journalist, he's reporting on what he's told — information he trusts if it runs.

 

 

 

The team is saying it didn't happen and their beat writers are at odds with the team's own story.

 

Link:

 

It's a mess. But trust who you choose to trust.

 

Huh? Where does it say they are at odds? Infact it says "there was no incident where he kept the puck from Miller".

 

Why do you have to paint this situation as malicious? It's plain as day that he got the puck, like any teammate does, and it was given to either a trainer or whomever to have it put on a plaque. JD even says the biggest asshole racist on the planet worked with Miller and helped him.. Is JD a racist now too because you think he's lying and covering up for his obvious Klan member buddy? Because it looks like this is where this is possibly going. Obviously I'm being sarcastic here.

[LindG1000]

To be honest, this sounds pretty accurate. Either the coach (or a player(s)) must have gone to the GM about it, unless everyone thinks Gorton was there in the tunnel (and give me a fucking break - use common sense here - he wasn't there). I think you are probably right in that Quinn went to Gorton. And Quinn would have known DeAngelo's short leash. So there you go...

 

I'm willing to bet that we're not getting over half the story here. This probably goes back to the bubble, if not further. Nobody gets cut for just a poor reaction to being benched and a second event.

 

The poor reaction to the benching was the second to last straw. Provoking a fight with a teammate was the last one. There are almost assuredly so many more straws here.

[Pete]

To be honest, this sounds pretty accurate. Either the coach (or a player(s)) must have gone to the GM about it, unless everyone thinks Gorton was there in the tunnel (and give me a fucking break - use common sense here - he wasn't there). I think you are probably right in that Quinn went to Gorton. And Quinn would have known DeAngelo's short leash. So there you go...

 

So...Quinn wasn't supposed to tell Gorton about it?

[Pete]

I'm willing to bet that we're not getting over half the story here. This probably goes back to the bubble, if not further. Nobody gets cut for just a poor reaction to being benched and a second event.

 

The poor reaction to the benching was the second to last straw. Provoking a fight with a teammate was the last one. There are almost assuredly so many more straws here.

 

ADA was getting fined on the regular basis for breaking team rules last season.

[The Dude]

It's the sad state of current media. Writers are telling you what to think and creating their own stories, not reporting on 'news'.

 

This shit probably cost the Rangers an asset via trade.

 

Well with the air somewhat clearer maybe it ups his value.. No matter what, they are going to lose out in this. Trying to think of a bad contract they might take in return. I'd say Staal, but like someone already said, Yzerman wouldn't want him. He'd have to go to a strong locker room. Boston? Edmonton? Colorado? Would Torts want to deal with him?

[LindG1000]

Huh? Where does it say they are at odds? Infact it says "there was no incident where he kept the puck from Miller".

 

Why do you have to paint tat situation as malicious? It's plain as day that he got the puck, like any teammate does, and it was given to either a trainer or whomever to have it put on a plaque. JD even says the biggest asshole racist on the planet worked with Miller and helped him.. Is JD a racist now too because you think he's lying and covering up for his obvious Klan member buddy? Because it looks like this is where this is possibly going. Obviously I'm being sarcastic here.

 

You gotta slow down. The beat writers, specifically Carp, said the puck thing may have happened in a different way and may be getting blown way out of proportion. The team said it didn't happen. That's at odds - they're not stories that agree with each other. Since the post you quoted, Carp clarified his statements to emphatically state that it didn't happen as Herman said it did.

 

As for JD? He's got a broken asset that they're going to sell for pennies on the dollar, so what he and JG say should be taken as "protecting an asset" right now. And maybe they know something we don't about the market for ADA, since they've been trying to trade him since the bubble.

[LindG1000]

ADA was getting fined on the regular basis for breaking team rules last season.

 

That's kind of the point, right? This isn't spurious, it's the end of a long chain of events. We're privy to the very end of the chain and very little more.

[Phil]

Huh? Where does it say they are at odds? Infact it says "there was no incident where he kept the puck from Miller".

 

Why do you have to paint tat situation as malicious? It's plain as day that he got the puck, like any teammate does, and it was given to either a trainer or whomever to have it put on a plaque. JD even says the biggest asshole racist on the planet worked with Miller and helped him.. Is JD a racist now too because you think he's lying and covering up for his obvious Klan member buddy? Because it looks like this is where this is possibly going. Obviously I'm being sarcastic here.

 

What are you talking about? Stick to what I actaully say, not what you are inferring and reading between the lines. My words are clear.

 

I said that the team report didn't jive with the reporting from the team's beat writers, which has been somewhat cleared up this morning with Carp backpedaling on the puckgate story, but still has holes elsewhere. Most notably, Brooks' report that Miller broke up the fight, which was "refuted" by Don LaGreca, who works for the team.

 

They did a decent job of clearing the haze, but the full picture is still missing pieces, likely because they don't want to sink DeAngelo's trade value even further while they seek a trade by validating historic problems he's had with the team prior to this.