Ozzy Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, G1000 said: If Buchnevich would sign for 2.5m, we wouldn't have even bothered with the "keep or not" conversation. Would help if he played Center too! Won faceoffs...etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 JT is a valuable enough commodity that Vancouver should not have to retain salary. If they were to retain, the price would become exceedingly high. To make this work, we would have to trade some salary, but our significant salaried players either have NTCs or are untouchable. It is irksome that the perfect fit for our top 6 hole is a guy we already had and gave away in a terrible trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyInTheMiddle Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, G1000 said: If Buchnevich would sign for 2.5m, we wouldn't have even bothered with the "keep or not" conversation. I usually follow what you lay down pretty much in complete agreement, but that is a absurd assertion. For instance, you could also say that if Zibanejad signed for half of his market value there would be even more savings! At the end of the day players need to get paid in accordance to their production as a playing career is short. Think what jsm7302 was trying to get at with the Buchnevich comment was, are we going to be looking at trading back for Buch in 4 seasons because we have not been able to adequately replace his production(despite having a 1st and 2nd overall pick) from within? I think most fans get that they had to trade him, and just like with Miller, it was the return more than the actual trade. Even though I have to admit Blais was really growing on me before the injury, there is no way to cover up that fact that it was a pathetic return for a point per game player just entering his prime. I remember there being whispers about Miller's personality and him not being a player they want to build around at the time of the trade. While it was a slightly different management team at the time, if that was true then it should hold true towards re-acquiring him. Otherwise why trade away for such a lousy return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sod16 said: JT is a valuable enough commodity that Vancouver should not have to retain salary. If they were to retain, the price would become exceedingly high. To make this work, we would have to trade some salary, but our significant salaried players either have NTCs or are untouchable. It is irksome that the perfect fit for our top 6 hole is a guy we already had and gave away in a terrible trade. That's the reason I'm very hesitant to give up on some of these kids. Over the last 50 years, I've seen it a few too many times....for me, I remember when it was a guy named Rick Middleton and it went from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 59 minutes ago, Pete said: There's also a little different playing style to consider.... I get that but in all reality, I think management would have thought twice about that trade if they knew the impact Reaves and Goodrow would have on the roster and the incredible start they were about to have. Buch wouldve solidified the top 6 and allowed some wealth to spread to have three scoring lines. Eh but you can't have 20/20 hindsight. JT Miller has become an incredible player and would definitely compliment this bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, jsm7302 said: I get that but in all reality, I think management would have thought twice about that trade if they knew the impact Reaves and Goodrow would have on the roster and the incredible start they were about to have. Buch wouldve solidified the top 6 and allowed some wealth to spread to have three scoring lines. Eh but you can't have 20/20 hindsight. JT Miller has become an incredible player and would definitely compliment this bunch. They couldn't afford Buch beyond this year, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 If we are talking about trading enough assets to allow retention, would we prefer Miller at 2.6 for this year and next year, or Gourde at 2.5 for three more seasons? Miller is definitely the better player but we only get him for a about 1.3 seasons and his role would be reduced a bit here. Gourde would slot in nicely in a 3rd line role at a very team friendly cost until 2025 and has 2 cups worth of playoff experience. I think in the end I probably prefer Miller but the one thing I do worry with him is the possibility of an attitude issue. The only thing that would make me want to go with Gourde is if we kept Kravtsov, traded away other assets on D and welcomed Kravtsov back either at seasons end or training camp. A team next year would look very solid with a top 9 of Kreid Zib Kak Bread Strome Krav Alf Gourde Goodrow then a 4th of Blais Rooney Reaves Assuming we are able to get Blais, Rooney to sign minimal deals and the rest get paid along the lines of what we all have discussed before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Keirik said: If we are talking about trading enough assets to allow retention, would we prefer Miller at 2.6 for this year and next year, or Gourde at 2.5 for three more seasons? Miller is definitely the better player but we only get him for a about 1.3 seasons and his role would be reduced a bit here. Gourde would slot in nicely in a 3rd line role at a very team friendly cost until 2025 and has 2 cups worth of playoff experience. I think in the end I probably prefer Miller but the one thing I do worry with him is the possibility of an attitude issue. The only thing that would make me want to go with Gourde is if we kept Kravtsov, traded away other assets on D and welcomed Kravtsov back either at seasons end or training camp. A team next year would look very solid with a top 9 of Kreid Zib Kak Bread Strome Krav Alf Gourde Goodrow then a 4th of Blais Rooney Reaves Assuming we are able to get Blais, Rooney to sign minimal deals and the rest get paid along the lines of what we all have discussed before. I think this is a pretty solid alternate to JT Miller, Keith. I'd rather see us spend less to get a guy that fits the bill for what we need, rather than shake the foundation of the team trading and moving money all over the place to make room for Strome and others. Those lines look like a playoff roster to me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 why would Seattle trade a player with 50% retention, someone they just signed few months ago? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, CCCP said: why would Seattle trade a player with 50% retention, someone they just signed few months ago? Because @Keirik is desperately trying to will this into existence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, Phil said: Because @Keirik is desperately trying to will this into existence. he does have a gun and a nightstick, so anything is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Have you heard of a whispering campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil said: Have you heard of a whispering campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I'm sorry, but I don't see why Seattle would do 50% retention on Gourde or Vancouver on Miller. If that's what the Rangers ask for they will just trade them somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 40 minutes ago, CCCP said: why would Seattle trade a player with 50% retention, someone they just signed few months ago? Because they didn’t sign him, they stink, he’s 30, and they have something like 13 or so ufa/rfas next year so I think they wouldn’t mind 2-3 high level prospects to fill out a roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said: I'm sorry, but I don't see why Seattle would do 50% retention on Gourde or Vancouver on Miller. If that's what the Rangers ask for they will just trade them somewhere else. Not sure why Gourde is even being mentioned. Miller is possible because its one season left and Vancouver needs: good prospects, cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, josh said: Not sure why Gourde is even being mentioned. Miller is possible because its one season left and Vancouver needs: good prospects, cap space. Because I mentioned him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 50 minutes ago, CCCP said: he does have a gun and a nightstick, so anything is possible Expandable baton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 39 minutes ago, josh said: Not sure why Gourde is even being mentioned. Miller is possible because its one season left and Vancouver needs: good prospects, cap space. In this particular thread, it seems the Rangers actually are inquiring about Miller, so agree about the Gourde reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Anyway, it's been said already, but it bears repeating (if for no other reason than to make @The Dude dig up old posts of his that said the same but got no love): Miller is perfect. Especially with retention. Can play center or wing, and can play both well. Moreover, he plays a style of game perfectly suited for playoff hockey. I've been all about Giroux, but if the assets to pull the deal off are effectively the same, I'd much rather Miller than Giroux simply because I think he'll give that 2RW or 3C spot an element they lack entirely right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Same ole BS still pervades this forum. Didn't the NYR give away Miller? Weren't all the naysayers elated? Now peeps want him back?? OMG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Would you rather strome at $6.5 for 5 years or Miller for 1 year at his current salary before he goes for 7 years 8.5 mil, which we likely can’t keep. we can’t have both and I’d be worried we inevitable end up with no 2C if we get Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN said: Same ole BS still pervades this forum. Didn't the NYR give away Miller? Weren't all the naysayers elated? Now peeps want him back?? OMG! Play with the chips in front of you. Not with what you used to have. Miller is a different player than when we traded him. The landscape has shifted dramatically on that front 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN said: Same ole BS still pervades this forum. Didn't the NYR give away Miller? Weren't all the naysayers elated? Now peeps want him back?? OMG! He's like that girl you knew in HS. But after college, she grew up, learned how to dress, and grew tits. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, josh said: He's like that girl you knew in HS. But after college, she grew up, learned how to dress, and grew tits. and now puts out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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