LindG1000 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Long live the King said: Corey Perry paced 15 goals and 35 points. 10 points in 22 playoff games. Signed in Tampa for $1M. Guys get over 35 they aren't getting term. It's too risky. Everyone knows the production can be gone in an instant. If you haven't won its all about chasing a cup before you can't play anymore. Right, and Pavelski has that in 30 games. He's pacing like 84 points. These aren't comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyInTheMiddle Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Spezza scored 10 goals and 30 points in 54 games last year. 15 goal 46 point pace. If money was all that mattered he surely could have gotten more than Greg McKegg money. 42 minutes ago, Long live the King said: He's already made over $65 million in his career. He can have a shot at a cup for $2 million or for an extra $3 million continue to play for shitty teams. Dude you are grasping here. Spezza has played in Toronto the last 3 seasons and probably doesn't want to uproot his family for another million somewhere; he is also from the Toronto area so I wouldn't discount that detail either. The point that everyone is making about Pavelski is that there will be plenty of Cup contenders willing to give him 4+ million on a one or two year deal. Carolina, Pittsburgh, Colorado, and Nashville all fit that criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 40 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Spezza scored 10 goals and 30 points in 54 games last year. 15 goal 46 point pace. If money was all that mattered he surely could have gotten more than Greg McKegg money. 12 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Corey Perry paced 15 goals and 35 points. 10 points in 22 playoff games. Signed in Tampa for $1M. Guys get over 35 they aren't getting term. It's too risky. Everyone knows the production can be gone in an instant. If you haven't won its all about chasing a cup before you can't play anymore. That's not over P/G and a 30 goal pace, and those guys were signed as 4th liners who happened to have great years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Or it's an anomaly because in his 16 year career he's never finished over a point per game. He had a recent stretch where he had 13 points in 6 games, featuring a 4 pointer against Chicago and a 5 pointer against Seattle. If he wants to cash in good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, MuddyInTheMiddle said: Dude you are grasping here. Spezza has played in Toronto the last 3 seasons and probably doesn't want to uproot his family for another million somewhere; he is also from the Toronto area so I wouldn't discount that detail either. The point that everyone is making about Pavelski is that there will be plenty of Cup contenders willing to give him 4+ million on a one or two year deal. Carolina, Pittsburgh, Colorado, and Nashville all fit that criteria. In order to do that all those teams have to lose a current piece to fit Pavelski @ $4/5M+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Or it's an anomaly because in his 16 year career he's never finished over a point per game. He had a recent stretch where he had 13 points in 6 games, featuring a 4 pointer against Chicago and a 5 pointer against Seattle. If he wants to cash in good for him. And of course an anomaly at 38 being wildly fucking productive never makes you more valuable than guys like Perry or Spezza... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Well A) let's see how the rest of the season plays out and 2) this has nothing to do with brining him in as a rental with the potential of resigning him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: I guess it could work. The problem here is that those guys got like ~30 playoff games between them and Trouba's the only with anything close to playoff experience. I guess we have the same problem right now with Miller tho. Lindgren - Fox (Solid "shutdown D") - Trouba Miller - Schneider Ideally I would go for something like this and rather use the assets on upgrading 3C/RW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 This smells like a Yandle trade without all of the offensive "upside" I'd rather get a 3rd line that could play dead in a cowboy movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 No real groundbreaking update here, except that they're reiterating Chychrun, and signaling "something big." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Phil said: No real groundbreaking update here, other than both Friedman and Marek "have heard" Chychrun and the Rangers, confirming these reports. They are in on the three team trade I’m suggesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Who is this Phil Kocher asshole? How does he know anything? "Trust me, bro". 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Sharpshooter said: Who is this Phil Kocher asshole? How does he know anything? "Trust me, bro". Fake account. Fake news. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil said: Fake account. Fake news. Uncle Larry's burner! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil said: Fake account. Fake news. Hey boss, With San Jose being right in the thick of it in the West, I'm thinking the window on Hertl may be closing, or closed soon. I mean, why would they trade arguably their best player while they're in the midst of contending for a playoff spot. Wouldn't they be buyers, rather than sellers? I suppose the next 6 weeks will tell the tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 19 hours ago, The Dude said: Eh. He'd be cheaper than Chychrun for sure, but he's....not really that good anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, G1000 said: Eh. He'd be cheaper than Chychrun for sure, but he's....not really that good anymore. Good players cost a premium. Bad players are cheap. Shocking! I'll stick with the good ones, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil said: Good players cost a premium. Bad players are cheap. Shocking! I'll stick with the good ones, thanks. That, for sure, and Leddy just reads to me like a guy that can plug in okay, but he's not going to meaningfully change this team. He was great in those first few Islander years, but I kinda think he's been coasting on that for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, G1000 said: That, for sure, and Leddy just reads to me like a guy that can plug in okay, but he's not going to meaningfully change this team. He was great in those first few Islander years, but I kinda think he's been coasting on that for a while. How do the Isles look without him? He put up 31 points last year. Not a coasting number. Especially since people are cumming loads over this Chychrun guy and his one good statistical season... Guy turns it on in the playoffs. A calming type that's been around and used in a variety of situations. I thought the need was playoff experience? Cup winners. Well, he's exactly that. The Rangers don't need to go big on a Dman. They have a butt load of prospects they will need to develop a handful of. No need to take on a player that has consistently lost as a core member of a shitty team (Chychrun) This grass isn't greener. It's got dandelions and crab grass entrenched in it. (Chychrun) I'd rather use the cap space at forward and for future contracts of atleast 2 of these defensive prospects. Unless they take Nemth. Hard no. Edited January 21, 2022 by The Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 17 hours ago, G1000 said: Eh. He'd be cheaper than Chychrun for sure, but he's....not really that good anymore. Leddy is an upgrade on Nemeth IMO. He has the playoff history, and can still skate, which is big for this team. I don’t think the Rangers need to break the bank as far as trades go for a defenseman; I’d like a veteran upgrade and one who won’t cost the farm. If Detroit falls out, I’d be all about seeing what it might cost. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 19 hours ago, The Dude said: How do the Isles look without him? He put up 31 points last year. Not a coasting number. Especially since people are cumming loads over this Chychrun guy and his one good statistical season... Guy turns it on in the playoffs. A calming type that's been around and used in a variety of situations. I thought the need was playoff experience? Cup winners. Well, he's exactly that. The Rangers don't need to go big on a Dman. They have a butt load of prospects they will need to develop a handful of. No need to take on a player that has consistently lost as a core member of a shitty team (Chychrun) This grass isn't greener. It's got dandelions and crab grass entrenched in it. (Chychrun) I'd rather use the cap space at forward and for future contracts of atleast 2 of these defensive prospects. Unless they take Nemth. Hard no. The Islanders have nothing to do with the assessment - if that were the case, the Red Wings defense best be airtight. It's far from it. Leddy's fallen off quite a bit in the past few years. He's no longer a positive possession player and hasn't been for a while. He's no longer a force on the back-end, and he's no longer a guy who you really want out there in all situations. He's steady, and he's undeniably an upgrade on Nemeth. Thing is, if you're targeting Chychrun, you're not targeting him to upgrade Nemeth (though I'd wager Nemeth would be in the deal for cap reasons). You're probably doing it for one of two reasons: either to upgrade on Miller and bring up Jones, or to upgrade on Jones and bump Miller down to the third pair. Chychrun's already signed through like 2025, and he's a good player in spite of his atrocious +/- rating - certainly a bargain at the price point. I generally agree with you that the Rangers don't need a big swing on defense; I said earlier in this thread that Chychrun feels more like a luxury to me than a necessity. At the same time, pending the price, this is a smart longer-term move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Thinking a bit more this move would make a decent amount of sense. I know we all complain about the third line sucking, which it does, but if you swap nemeth for this guy nobody is scoring on this team ever again with shesty in net. That’s a recipe for winning playoff games. I still spend my chips to get the right 3rd liner with retention for the medium term but I don’t think this is as bad of an idea as it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Tomorrow's Brooks Slap Shot article will be this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 Chytil, Nemeth ($) + Kravtsov + 1st is my guess. Two former first-round picks, plus one more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil said: Chytil, Nemeth ($) + Kravtsov + 1st is my guess. Two former first-round picks, plus one more. Fair deal and I wouldn't bat an eye at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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