LindG1000 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/33140508/bold-predictions-second-half-nhl-season-trades-playoff-races-awards-more Quote New York Rangers goalie Igor Shesterkin will win the Hart Trophy You read that right -- I didn't say Vezina Trophy, I said Hart -- as in the top individual trophy any NHL player can win at the NHL awards ... goalie, goal scorer or otherwise. Sure, Alex Ovechkin is putting up wild numbers, Nazem Kadri is having a remarkable season in Colorado and the Oilers have two players scoring at a furious pace. There's also the fact that a goaltender doesn't often win the Hart; it has happened only eight times in league history, the last time being Carey Price in 2015. To me, it's all about the definition of the award: This award is given "to the player adjudged to be the most valuable to his team." This season, Shesterkin embodies that definition. He has been the backbone of the Rangers' meteoric rise. Before the season started, the conversation surrounding the Rangers was about battling for a playoff spot -- who could have dreamed of battling for the league lead in points? Shesterkin has been incredibly clutch when the team has needed it, and perhaps the biggest reason this team is finding itself at the top of the tables. Individually, he's first in the league in save percentage, at .936, and second in goals-against average, at 2.08 If the Rangers make the playoffs and Shesterkin continues his level of play, I can see him hoisting some hardware after April. -- Arda Ocal, NHL host Quote The Rangers will win the Stanley Cup I grew up with the chant of "19-40!" as a staple at Islanders and Devils games when they would meet the Rangers, and we're almost at the point where a "19-94!" chant might begin to appear. That's what can happen when you've won one Cup in 82 years. But they may have the best goaltender and best defenseman in the game, in Igor Shesterkin and Adam Fox. Chris Kreider is having a magical season. The young core Rangers fans have long waited to see develop is developing. Plus, they've added that grit to the roster that was lacking. When a title is within reach in New York, there's always a sense of urgency to make a big trade, and I think they will (I know Jakob Chychrun's name has been out there). I think the Rangers end the "new" 28-year drought and win the Cup. -- Bob Wischusen, NHL play-by-play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Dear Mr. Wischusen: Please return my Jager bottle and put it back where you found it! It is obviously causing you severe hallucinations! ...Damn!! I hope he's right!!!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Odds are good to put some $$$ down on that..... I don't see it this year. Maybe next year after some diversity in the playoffs but not this year. Hope im wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Shesterkin vs. Lundqvist. Who do you think is a better goaltender? I was thinking about it the other night. Of course Shesty doesnt have the longevity to judge objectively but going by eye tests, to me Shesty has the edge over Lundqvist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, CCCP said: Shesterkin vs. Lundqvist. Who do you think is a better goaltender? I was thinking about it the other night. Of course Shesty doesnt have the longevity to judge objectively but going by eye tests, to me Shesty has the edge over Lundqvist. Maybe, but in a game 7 I take Hank over anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, CCCP said: Shesterkin vs. Lundqvist. Who do you think is a better goaltender? I was thinking about it the other night. Of course Shesty doesnt have the longevity to judge objectively but going by eye tests, to me Shesty has the edge over Lundqvist. Man, that's a tough one, Simon!!! Hank ironically is royalty in Ranger's lore, even without a Cup. Igor is going to have to at the very least climb the mountain Henrik had to scale, and if Shesty can land us the Holy Grail....yeah, then I'd say he's the new King. He is off to a FABULOUS start though. I love watching him play!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: Maybe, but in a game 7 I take Hank over anyone. I'd take Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, CCCP said: I'd take Roy Put Hasek in that mix too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Man, that's a tough one, Simon!!! Hank ironically is royalty in Ranger's lore, even without a Cup. Igor is going to have to at the very least climb the mountain Henrik had to scale, and if Shesty can land us the Holy Grail....yeah, then I'd say he's the new King. He is off to a FABULOUS start though. I love watching him play!!! All I know is that we're spoiled as fuck to go from Hank to Shesterkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, G1000 said: All I know is that we're spoiled as fuck to go from Hank to Shesterkin. I used the word "Blessed", G. I also got to see Richter and Giacomin before that in their primes!!! I'm old....I know!!! But yeah man, pretty much 2 generational talent goalies, back to back?? Oh yeah Spoiled as hell!!! ....and LOVING IT!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ozzy said: I used the word "Blessed", G. I also got to see Richter and Giacomin before that in their primes!!! I'm old....I know!!! But yeah man, pretty much 2 generational talent goalies, back to back?? Oh yeah Spoiled as hell!!! ....and LOVING IT!!! I'm somewhat loath to put Richter to Henrik - it was only two years in truth, but more like five with his injuries. But those few years were without question the worst goaltending I've seen out of this team in my life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, CCCP said: Shesterkin vs. Lundqvist. Who do you think is a better goaltender? I was thinking about it the other night. Of course Shesty doesnt have the longevity to judge objectively but going by eye tests, to me Shesty has the edge over Lundqvist. Hank and it’s not even close. Give me 10 more years of this and then we will talk. Also, be a fucking god in every elimination game along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Keirik said: Hank and it’s not even close. Give me 10 more years of this and then we will talk. Also, be a fucking god in every elimination game along the way. but not the one that mattered the most, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 If Igor wins a cup this year, we will be telling grandkids about Henry Lundqvist, the guy that played goal before Shesty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, CCCP said: but not the one that mattered the most, right? Dude. Come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, Flynn said: If Igor wins a cup this year, we will be telling grandkids about Henry Lundqvist, the guy that played goal before Shesty if Igor wins the cup any year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, Keirik said: Dude. Come on now. you did not read my OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Keirik said: Hank and it’s not even close. Give me 10 more years of this and then we will talk. Also, be a fucking god in every elimination game along the way. lol exactly, not even worth discussion yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, CCCP said: Shesterkin vs. Lundqvist. Who do you think is a better goaltender? I was thinking about it the other night. Of course Shesty doesnt have the longevity to judge objectively but going by eye tests, to me Shesty has the edge over Lundqvist. Was thinking about this the other night too, and on a night to night basis, Shesty doesn't have the soft goal syndrome that Hank seemed to have. BUT Hank's playoff career speaks for itself. The amount of Game 7 wins and shutouts Hank had was insane and Shesty hasn't yet sniffed the playoffs. Hank also never got hurt and Shesty is laying on the ice every three months so I think the question will be best answered when this team makes a few runs and we either do, or don't, win the cup. Because that's where Hank fell short. In order to be better than Hank, you need to win the cup, period. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, ThirtyONE said: Was thinking about this the other night too, and on a night to night basis, Shesty doesn't have the soft goal syndrome that Hank seemed to have. BUT Hank's playoff career speaks for itself. The amount of Game 7 wins and shutouts Hank had was insane and Shesty hasn't yet sniffed the playoffs. Hank also never got hurt and Shesty is laying on the ice every three months so I think the question will be best answered when this team makes a few runs and we either do, or don't, win the cup. Because that's where Hank fell short. In order to be better than Hank, you need to win the cup, period. Yeah and the excuse for Shesty is that he’s not used to so many games in a season. Then you look at Hanks Frolunda games and how he came in here basically day 1 and never gave up his net from the jump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 28 minutes ago, CCCP said: you did not read my OP I did and my medical opinion is that you need glasses 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Keirik said: I did and my medical opinion is that you need glasses but i have glasses on 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, G1000 said: https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/33140508/bold-predictions-second-half-nhl-season-trades-playoff-races-awards-more I am not a believe on the stanley cup side unless our kids show something in the end of the year that they're ready to step up. Otherwise we are not getting past second round. I do think we have one round in us though, and a second round loss would be perfect for this group. Have a lot of playoff pain and learning to go through (just look at buffalo bills right now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ThirtyONE said: Was thinking about this the other night too, and on a night to night basis, Shesty doesn't have the soft goal syndrome that Hank seemed to have. BUT Hank's playoff career speaks for itself. The amount of Game 7 wins and shutouts Hank had was insane and Shesty hasn't yet sniffed the playoffs. Hank also never got hurt and Shesty is laying on the ice every three months so I think the question will be best answered when this team makes a few runs and we either do, or don't, win the cup. Because that's where Hank fell short. In order to be better than Hank, you need to win the cup, period. Mostly agree with this. And further to support Henrik, I'd say the soft goal syndrome became more of an issue in his latter years when age caught up to him, which isn't a fair comparison. Comparing Henrik at the same stage of his career to Shesty, I'd still give the edge to Henrik. Edited January 25, 2022 by Karan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, ThirtyONE said: Was thinking about this the other night too, and on a night to night basis, Shesty doesn't have the soft goal syndrome that Hank seemed to have. BUT Hank's playoff career speaks for itself. The amount of Game 7 wins and shutouts Hank had was insane and Shesty hasn't yet sniffed the playoffs. Hank also never got hurt and Shesty is laying on the ice every three months so I think the question will be best answered when this team makes a few runs and we either do, or don't, win the cup. Because that's where Hank fell short. In order to be better than Hank, you need to win the cup, period. so you think Richter was a better goalie than Hank? or Cam Ward? or Corey Crawford? or Matt Murray? they all won the cup. i think in general you could be a better goalie just by having better stats. Winning the cup is a team achievement. But my OP stated that Shesty does not have Hank's longevity and experience, therefore you cant go by records throughout careers. We've watched Hank for 15 years and couple of seasons of Shesty, who do you think is a better goaltender? IMO apart from getting hurt every couple of months, Shesty is a better, more acrobatic and more athletic goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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