Br4d Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Pete said: They're great examples of what you do at 21 can be irrelevant. At 24 Matt Tkachuk just had a season better than either of them put together in their careers. That's what being very good in the NHL at 19-21 produces before the prime years. The prime years for Tkachuk are likely to blow away the prime years for Marchand and Wheeler. Put another way: Marchand 246 career goals, Wheeler 351 career goals, Matt Tkachuk at 24, 152 career goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Long live the King said: You stole this from my Trocheck argument. I don't remember your argument, but all that means is you stole it from my Strome argument! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Br4d said: At 24 Matt Tkachuk just had a season better than either of them put together in their careers. I stopped reading here, because it's inaccurate. Go look at Marchand p/g over the last 5 seasons. Regardless, the point here isn't "is he good?", It's "is he overrated" and I'd say yes. You don't have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 11 hours ago, Pete said: Well the thing is (especially with Brady)... There was very little progression, just went straight to explosion, which makes me kind of think it's an anomaly... He had two identical seasons 20+ goals, 45 points, 75+ PIM the first two years as an 18/19 y/old. Then he had 17g, 36p in 56 games in the Covid season (56p/82g pace) which is improvement on the previous years and then last season as 22 y old he improved some more to 30g, 67 points in 79 games. I don't understand the argument here. You think because he didn't improve his stats from season 1 to 2 as a 20 y old, that he won't improve ever in his career? There's a lot of progression there and I don't see this "explosion" you're talking about. His career projection looks pretty normal to me. And a power forward scoring 42g and 100+ points being the most overrated player in the league is an interesting take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: He had two identical seasons 20+ goals, 45 points, 75+ PIM the first two years as an 18/19 y/old. Then he had 17g, 36p in 56 games in the Covid season (56p/82g pace) which is improvement on the previous years and then last season as 22 y old he improved some more to 30g, 67 points in 79 games. I don't understand the argument here. You think because he didn't improve his stats from season 1 to 2 as a 20 y old, that he won't improve ever in his career? There's a lot of progression there and I don't see this "explosion" you're talking about. His career projection looks pretty normal to me. And a power forward scoring 42g and 100+ points being the most overrated player in the league is an interesting take... I've made my point clear, I think both of these players are overrated. I never said they aren't good. I also don't trust what Matthew did in a contract year playing opposite Johnny hockey in a contract year who also had a career year. We will see if he continues to put up 100-point seasons. It's okay for you not to understand, and it's okay for you not to agree. Edited July 25, 2022 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Pete said: I've made my point clear, I think both of these players are overrated. I never said they aren't good. I also don't trust what Matthew did in a contract year playing opposite Johnny hockey in a contract year who also had a career year. It's okay for you not to understand, and it's okay for you not to agree. I just think you should have some other arguments than "contract year playing with guuud player" when you throw out he's the most overrated player in the league. Because he's clearly not lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: I just think you should have some other arguments than "contract year playing with guuud player" when you throw out he's the most overrated player in the league. Because he's clearly not lol. Well clearly you didn't pick up the sarcasm either, I was comparing the brothers over-ratedness haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Pete said: Well clearly you didn't pick up the sarcasm either, I was comparing the brothers over-ratedness haha. It would've been funny if either of them actually were overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: It would've been funny if either of them actually were overrated Well, I thought it was funny, so we can agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 12:04 AM, rmc51 said: Great trade for Florida. Tkachuk is exactly what they needed. I don't really understand it for Calgary. Bad attempt at trying to remain relevant. Huberdeau is 29 and a UFA next summer. Calgary's best path forward was to do at least a partial rebuild, and maybe even copy what the Rangers did, not double down on winning now. This. You don't lose two 100-point players in a single summer and just say "nah, we're good." Hell, even just pull a Bruins and suck ass for one year. Actually reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 28 minutes ago, Phil said: This. You don't lose two 100-point players in a single summer and just say "nah, we're good." Hell, even just pull a Bruins and suck ass for one year. Actually reset. I almost feel bad for these cities where guys don't wanna live and play...Calgary. Winnipeg. Edmonton. Buffalo. Arizona (whatever city they end up in). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I guess the Flames have a while to work on this. If they're really set on not rebuildilng/resetting, I'd imagine this becomes priority number one, to keep them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, Phil said: I guess the Flames have a while to work on this. If they're really set on not rebuildilng/resetting, I'd imagine this becomes priority number one, to keep them both. We'll see how open they are after living there for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 21 hours ago, Keirik said: They don't get typed up on a smart phone with a tiny keyboard lol I'm deadly with a real keyboard Deadlier than Petr Nedved's wrist shot apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Long live the King said: We'll see how open they are after living there for a year. They're older and they're Canadian. Tkachuk was a young US player and Calgary probably never felt like a real long-term option. If Huberdeau and Weeger are planning on raising families Calgary may be just what they are looking for. Edited July 25, 2022 by Br4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I wouldn’t be so fast to anoint Florida the #1 seed in the conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Br4d said: They're older and they're Canadian. Tkachuk was a young US player and Calgary probably never felt like a real long-term option. If Huberdeau and Weeger are planning on raising families Calgary may be just what they are looking for. Huberdeau is from a Montreal suburb. This is like saying Fox would be happy to raise his family in Buffalo since he's from Long Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Huberdeau is from a Montreal suburb. This is like saying Fox would be happy to raise his family in Buffalo since he's from Long Island. It is Canada though, his home country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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