Staple Rangers Lose More Scouting Staff: Kevin Maxwell and Chris Morehouse Leave for Other NHL Jobs

[Cash or Czech]

There's still a few WJC games left, right?

 

And yeah, just to kind of reiterate the majority opinion here. There are no "safe" picks in rounds 3+. Absolutely no reason not to shoot for the moon on a player that's been on hard times but has decent talent and accolades. Teams even do it in the first round. Minnesota did it with Marco Rossi. Washington did it with Hendrix Lapierre. Montreal did it with Logan Mailloux. 

 

Sometimes you take a shot. Very occasionally it hits. The further down the draft you go, the less likely. Might as well give yourself better odds with a player who has a resume. 

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Cash or Czech said:

There's still a few WJC games left, right?

 

And yeah, just to kind of reiterate the majority opinion here. There are no "safe" picks in rounds 3+. Absolutely no reason not to shoot for the moon on a player that's been on hard times but has decent talent and accolades. Teams even do it in the first round. Minnesota did it with Marco Rossi. Washington did it with Hendrix Lapierre. Montreal did it with Logan Mailloux. 

 

Sometimes you take a shot. Very occasionally it hits. The further down the draft you go, the less likely. Might as well give yourself better odds with a player who has a resume. 

Blanket generalization, not taking into account at all the state of a teams farm system. 

[Cash or Czech]

18 hours ago, Pete said:

Blanket generalization, not taking into account at all the state of a teams farm system. 

 

Did you even look at anything before you made this comment?

 

Back in 2016 when Day was taken, the defensemen we had drafted in the past five years were:

Sergey Zborovskiy, Ryan Mantha, Tyler Nanne, Ryan Graves, Calle Andersson, Samuel Noreau, Peter Ceresnak. 

 

Our current NHL D were Ryan McDonagh, Daniel Girardi, Brady Skjei, Nick Holden, Kevin Klein, and Marc Staal.

 

How is that not taking into account the farm system? How is taking a flyer on a highly touted defenseman who's stock has fallen not doing that considering how bad our farm defense was? In the 3rd round?

Edited August 18, 2022 by Cash or Czech

[Phil]

2 hours ago, Drew a Penalty said:

Ronning was drafted that year, but otherwise yes.

 

Yeah, in the seventh round.

[siddious]

2 hours ago, Drew a Penalty said:

 

The Rangers left and haven't rejoined.

That’s lame 

[Phil]

9 minutes ago, siddious said:

That’s lame 

 

So was Traverse City. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Cash or Czech said:

 

Did you even look at anything before you made this comment?

 

Back in 2016 when Day was taken, the defensemen we had drafted in the past five years were:

Sergey Zborovskiy, Ryan Mantha, Tyler Nanne, Ryan Graves, Calle Andersson, Samuel Noreau, Peter Ceresnak. 

 

Our current NHL D were Ryan McDonagh, Daniel Gerardi, Brady Skjei, Nick Holden, Kevin Klein, and Marc Staal.

 

How is that not taking into account the farm system? How is taking a flyer on a highly touted defenseman who's stock has fallen not doing that considering how bad our farm defense was? In the 3rd round?

Maybe the fact that he hadn't been highly touted since receiving exceptional status?

[siddious]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

 

So was Traverse City. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It was hockey at least 

[Phil]

4 hours ago, siddious said:

It was hockey at least 

 

[Cash or Czech]

16 hours ago, Pete said:

Maybe the fact that he hadn't been highly touted since receiving exceptional status?

 

Okay, but the only defensemen drafted after Day who have played 100+ games are Victor Mete and Riley Stillman. That's 2 out of 49 defenseman selected between Day and the end of the draft.

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Cash or Czech said:

 

Okay, but the only defensemen drafted after Day who have played 100+ games are Victor Mete and Riley Stillman. That's 2 out of 49 defenseman selected between Day and the end of the draft.

Right, and that's hindsight, but at the time (as I keep saying) Day's stock was falling.

 

I just didn't understand, after selling firsts and not having a 1st or 2nd in that draft, making that kind of pick.

[siddious]

13 hours ago, Phil said:

 

[Cash or Czech]

49 minutes ago, Pete said:

Right, and that's hindsight, but at the time (as I keep saying) Day's stock was falling.

 

I just didn't understand, after selling firsts and not having a 1st or 2nd in that draft, making that kind of pick.

 

Day's stock was falling but from a very high place. I'm not going to dig much further, but it's a very similar pick to Pavel Buchnevich. Buch was a talented prospect who was also considered lazy and likely to stay in Russia. 

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1687171-pavel-buchnevich-prospect-profile-for-new-york-rangers-3rd-round-pick

 

Quote

“His defensive play and positioning is almost nonexistent,” writes The Hockey Writers’ Shawn Reznik. “His effort every shift is up in the air and only seems to care when he has the puck on his stick in the offensive zone.  He’s a player a GM might throw a mid-to-late round pick on him to see if he pans out.”

 

How is that dissimilar to throwing out a mid-round pick on a former exceptional status player when your organization is so thin on defense? You have the chance to hit a home run if the kid turns it around and fixes his attitude (Buchnevich did, Day didn't). And if it doesn't work out, he's like the other 47 of the 49 defensemen picked after him. I don't really know why you have an issue with the choice or what you'd do differently. 

[Phil]

 

[RangersIn7]

On 8/16/2022 at 11:47 AM, Pete said:

Day had well known issues on and off the ice. IIRC He was our first pick in that draft, we needed a sure thing, not a big swing at that point of the draft. 

 

Might have been the right kind of player, but it was the wrong time to make a play like that IMO. 

Day never recovered from the fact that his brother killed someone and went to prison for it. And they knew at the time he was not in a good head space. 
 

Taking him there was a mistake. 

[josh]

On 8/17/2022 at 3:38 PM, Phil said:

 

So was Traverse City. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Traverse was great for the team and the prospects. And fans. 
 

Unfortunately, it also showed how poor the Rangers development of players is. 

[Pete]

17 minutes ago, josh said:

Traverse was great for the team and the prospects. And fans. 
 

Unfortunately, it also showed how poor the Rangers development of players is. 

Nah, bro...You can see the brilliance.

 

Coincidentally, 2 assists to Kravtsov. Maybe...Nah.

 

 

But maybe.

[josh]

Quinned 

[Pete]

A year later, still a nebulous term that doesn't mean anything and is applied to random players for being scrubs. 

[josh]

You post a video showing kids playing better than they ever have with the rangers… then defend the development system and a fired coach. 
 

Pete’s in mid-season form. 

[BrooksBurner]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

Nah, bro...You can see the brilliance.

 

Coincidentally, 2 assists to Kravtsov. Maybe...Nah.

 

 

But maybe.

I remember that last goal Kakko scored where he looped the zone twice before wrapping it in. Everyone creamed their pants thinking we hit the jackpot.

 

Mother fucker.

[josh]

59 minutes ago, rmc51 said:

I remember that last goal Kakko scored where he looped the zone twice before wrapping it in. Everyone creamed their pants thinking we hit the jackpot.

 

Mother fucker.

And then what happened?!?

 

 

[BrooksBurner]

32 minutes ago, josh said:

And then what happened?!?

 

 

[Pete]