SaveByRichter35 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 12 hours ago, Pete said: Well some people claim that the city of Hartford is the issue, as if it's any better than Bridgeport or Manchester or Ontario, California. I mean I have never actually stayed in any of these cities but I've driven through Hartford, Bridgeport, and Ontario CA. Both CT cities are dumps lol. I don't remember much of Ontario except for the airport and whatever the military base was that we drove to from the airport. Regardless, a dump with palm trees is better than a dump without them lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 7 hours ago, CCCP said: Like I said, they picked the best available player at the time and it is backfiring. But you can spin it any way you want Ehhhh not sur I agree. Unless you have a top 5-10 pick where the player might be NHL ready, or at most a year out, you can't really draft for current need. You have to take BPA and see where the chips fall when the time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, SaveByRichter35 said: Ehhhh not sur I agree. Unless you have a top 5-10 pick where the player might be NHL ready, or at most a year out, you can't really draft for current need. You have to take BPA and see where the chips fall when the time comes. That scenario is playing out right now and it isnt pretty. I don't think I agree with that sentiment because now we are talking about trading for another draft pick or a random warm body with some upside. If we drafted for need, we would be seeing some kids fight out for open spots on the roster as opposed to negative press about trade requests, burying people in the minors and failing to report. We are watching drafting BPA backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, jsm7302 said: That scenario is playing out right now and it isnt pretty. I don't think I agree with that sentiment because now we are talking about trading for another draft pick or a random warm body with some upside. If we drafted for need, we would be seeing some kids fight out for open spots on the roster as opposed to negative press about trade requests, burying people in the minors and failing to report. We are watching drafting BPA backfire. And how many times have we seen drafting for need not work out as well? You draft a winger because you're low on wingers in the present. 3-4 years later when that winger is ready we have too many wingers due to trades/UFA signings to fill the immediate need and now D is the issue instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete said: So you're saying they shouldn't have went BPA, they should have picked based upon players they didn't know they'd have at the time of the pick? No. Thats not what I said. I didn’t suggest anything either. Picking BPA is the best strategy IMO but its backfiring cause it looks to be a waste in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, SaveByRichter35 said: Ehhhh not sur I agree. Unless you have a top 5-10 pick where the player might be NHL ready, or at most a year out, you can't really draft for current need. You have to take BPA and see where the chips fall when the time comes. lol…I agree. Picking BPA is the best strategy but with Lundkvist its backfiring right now. we all hoped that when drafting BPAs we could package them for other prospects/players we would have spots for, but thats not happening either. Not sure if its on Drury or just circumstances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, CCCP said: No. Thats not what I said. I didn’t suggest anything either. Picking BPA is the best strategy IMO but its backfiring cause it looks to be a waste in this case. I don't think you can trash an entire strategy because of the one time it didn't pan out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Pete said: I don't think you can trash an entire strategy because of the one time it didn't pan out. I didnt thrash it, i agree with it. Not sure how you got that i was arguing against it. I just commented that things with Lundkvist aren’t going as planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, CCCP said: I didnt thrash it, i agree with it. Not sure how you got that i was arguing against it. I just commented that things with Lundkvist aren’t going as planned. But why do you hate BPA so much bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Why does it seem like BPA is never a fucking center for the Rangers btw? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I don’t think draft strategy has been the problem, recently. Other than maybe Lindbom and Antoine Lefleur. But there’s a reason why you take random shots at these guys (Lundqvist) they’ve never been able to develop high picks into consistent star players. The difference between cup winners and the rest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, rmc51 said: Why does it seem like BPA is never a fucking center for the Rangers btw? They don’t draft centers, other than the Andersson, Chytil, Barron draft. And based on that, maybe they shouldn’t draft centers. they’ll draft 2 goalies every year, but not centers. If you go BPA, that’s what happens, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 If the NY Rangers scouting department had a fantasy football team, itd have 6 kickers on it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 minute ago, josh said: They don’t draft centers, other than the Andersson, Chytil, Barron draft. And based on that, maybe they shouldn’t draft centers. they’ll draft 2 goalies every year, but not centers. If you go BPA, that’s what happens, though. Barron is going to be a really good 3rd/4th line center and I wish we hung onto him to see it. BUT Chytil and Anderson are some of the worst first round draft choices. We all left that draft shaking our heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Should've sent Lundkvist in the Copp deal instead of Barron. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Barron still wouldn't play over Chytil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 11 hours ago, CCCP said: Like I said, they picked the best available player at the time and it is backfiring. But you can spin it any way you want This is equivalent to saying “don’t take a raise at work because then your taxes will go up” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 3 hours ago, siddious said: This is equivalent to saying “don’t take a raise at work because then your taxes will go up” More like “don’t take a promotion because you might be less happy with your position later”. Sometimes it might not be what you need or want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 9 hours ago, siddious said: This is equivalent to saying “don’t take a raise at work because then your taxes will go up” Where did i say that taking BPA is a bad strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Seriously, with the 1st round pick it shouldn't take 3-4 years to develop the player. Anybody with the talent to go that high should be in the NHL in a couple of seasons. If you can't do this regularly you should be adjusting your scouting and your development teams until you can. After the 1st round it's a different situation but with that first pick you should be getting somebody who is close to ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Br4d said: Seriously, with the 1st round pick it shouldn't take 3-4 years to develop the player. Anybody with the talent to go that high should be in the NHL in a couple of seasons. If you can't do this regularly you should be adjusting your scouting and your development teams until you can. After the 1st round it's a different situation but with that first pick you should be getting somebody who is close to ready to go. That's not how this works. 7 out of 31 first rounders in 2019 have played 82 or more NHL games. 6 of 31 from 2018 have played more than 164. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 On 9/12/2022 at 12:03 AM, Cash or Czech said: That's not how this works. 7 out of 31 first rounders in 2019 have played 82 or more NHL games. 6 of 31 from 2018 have played more than 164. 6 prospects from 4 years ago played full 2 seasons? That’s actually not too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 13 hours ago, CCCP said: 6 prospects from 4 years ago played full 2 seasons? That’s actually not too bad. Right. But it's not as Br4d says that "Anybody with the talent to go that high should be in the NHL in a couple of seasons. If you can't do this regularly you should be adjusting your scouting and your development teams until you can." That clearly isn't the case in the NHL, or a realistic expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Your chances of a late first round pick becoming a significant NHL player are well under 50-50. For example, take a look at the draft from 10 years ago. Two of seven players drafted between 24 and 30 have had NHL careers of even minimal significance. https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2012e.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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