Injury Report Filip Chytil Out With Suspected Concussion

[BrooksBurner]

34 minutes ago, Pete said:

It's acknowledgment that you're so in love, you can't have an objective conversation. 

I see you have nothing positive to contribute, which is a good indicator you haven’t presented a good argument 

[Karan]

Pretty impressive that we have so many experienced neurologists taking valuable time out of their day to contribute to this board. 

[jsm7302]

Gotta say....Chytil turned right in front of him and the dude had no way of avoidance. Hope for a quick return. Krav and Chytil both caught the injury bug early on what looked like minor contact. Gotta hope we get this stuff out of the way and can stay healthier for the remainder of the year.

[RichieNextel305]

 

[Cash or Czech]

54 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

I share your concern about how often Chytil tends to get hurt, but this is a wild take. He was blindsided. Just because it didn't look that bad doesn't mean it didn't feel bad. Brain injury is brain injury.

 

I was at the game and it happened in the corner near our section. He looked absolutely rocked, took a long time to get up, and completely disoriented. And this one's definitely a freak account away from the play, elbow right to the head.

[Cash or Czech]

13 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said:

 

 

So Vesey on the 3rd line with Goodrow and Kravtsov, and keep the Blais-Carp-Reaves train going?

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Phil said:

 

I share your concern about how often Chytil tends to get hurt, but this is a wild take. He was blindsided. Just because it didn't look that bad doesn't mean it didn't feel bad. Brain injury is brain injury.

And some people's brains are injured more easily than others. It wasn't even a hockey play. Can you imagine what would happen if he got hit by Trouba in open ice?

 

It's not a wild take that he should consider his health of this is the kind of play that knocks him out. Eric Lindros ended his Rangers career by hitting himself in the head with his own butt end on a non-hockey play. 

 

You folks refusing to see that some people concuss more easily than others is the only wild take here. That hit, at that velocity, in the context of a hockey game, is not a violent hit. The fact that it may have concussed him should worry him. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Pete

[Ozzy]

1 hour ago, Phil said:

 

I share your concern about how often Chytil tends to get hurt, but this is a wild take. He was blindsided. Just because it didn't look that bad doesn't mean it didn't feel bad. Brain injury is brain injury.

 

They just don't make 'em like they used to, eh Boss??  LOL

 

[Flynn]

The general lack of informed takes on how concussions occur and how they actually work is both astonishing, and totally expected. 

[Pete]

1 minute ago, Flynn said:

The general lack of informed takes on how concussions occur and how they actually work is both astonishing, and totally expected. 

Please enlighten us. 

[Drew a Penalty]

It looks like he took contact to the head and neck. A hit to the dome is bad enough, but added damage to the neck is probably exacerbating a seemingly "soft" play.

[Karan]

32 minutes ago, Pete said:

And some people's brains are injured more easily than others. It wasn't even a hockey play. Can you imagine what would happen if he got hit by Trouba in open ice?

 

It's not a wild take that he should consider his health of this is the kind of play that knocks him out. Eric Lindros ended his Rangers career by hitting himself in the head with his own butt end on a non-hockey play. 

 

You folks refusing to see that some people concuss more easily than others is the only wild take here. That hit, at that velocity, in the context of a hockey game, is not a violent hit. The fact that it may have concussed him should worry him. 

 

So a violent hit is the minimum prerequisite to cause a concussion? Interesting conclusion.

I wish that were the case, but with recent advancements in concussion diagnosis criteria we've seen that any degree of whiplash-type back and forth movement causing the brain to jolt around can cause a concussion, even if of a minor grade, which this very well could be.

 

Not to understate his proficiency for getting injured, but I mean looking at the mechanics of this incident from that replay, though not violent I agree, it doesn't take an expert to see how it would've jolted his brain around, which frankly could've happened to any other player in that instance.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Karan

[Pete]

13 minutes ago, Karan said:

 

So a violent hit is the minimum prerequisite to cause a concussion? Interesting conclusion.

I wish that were the case, but with recent advancements in concussion diagnosis criteria we've seen that any degree of whiplash-type back and forth movement causing the brain to jolt around can cause a concussion, even if of a minor grade, which this very well could be.

 

Not to understate his proficiency for getting injured, but I mean looking at the mechanics of this incident from that replay, though not violent I agree, it doesn't take an expert to see how it would've jolted his brain around, which frankly could've happened to any other player in that instance.

But this isn't true. And that's my point, which quite frankly I think is getting lost and maybe that's on me.

 

There are people who are simply prone to easier concussions. Could that play have concussed other players? Maybe. And what would happen to those players if the hit was more violent? And maybe, hockey isn't such a good idea for those people... Like Brett Lindros. 

[Flynn]

Just now, Pete said:

Please enlighten us. 

 

I had a whole bunch of data and a few links I was going to post.. But fuck it.. Go look it up yourself, perhaps you can learn something. 

 

My kid had 2 her Freshman year.. Say out 9 months and got cleared to play and wanted to give it one more shot.. Soph year 1st game back, delivered a fairly solid blow- nothing.. Couple game later she got blindsided and trucked.. Nothing.. Went two full seasons, and two full seasons of summer travel ball dishing it out and taking shots (lacrosse defender). Practice during Senior pre- season conditioning, an errant ball lollypopped across the field grazes her chin, no violent impact, just a quick head snap. took 10 months to get rid of the symptoms. Every concussion has its own story and recovery path- there are "norms" but they are snowflakes, everyone is a little different in terms of impact and recovery. 

 

Labels aren't fair when it cones to concussions as they are wildly different animals.  

 

 

 

 

[Ozzy]

1 minute ago, Flynn said:

 

I had a whole bunch of data and a few links I was going to post.. But fuck it.. Go look it up yourself, perhaps you can learn something. 

 

My kid had 2 her Freshman year.. Say out 9 months and got cleared to play and wanted to give it one more shot.. Soph year 1st game back, delivered a fairly solid blow- nothing.. Couple game later she got blindsided and trucked.. Nothing.. Went two full seasons, and two full seasons of summer travel ball dishing it out and taking shots (lacrosse defender). Practice during Senior pre- season conditioning, an errant ball lollypopped across the field grazes her chin, no violent impact, just a quick head snap. took 10 months to get rid of the symptoms. Every concussion has its own story and recovery path- there are "norms" but they are snowflakes, everyone is a little different in terms of impact and recovery. 

 

Labels aren't fair when it cones to concussions as they are wildly different animals.  

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing Flynner!  I never realized it worked like you described.  I just kinda go on how hard or violent the hit is/looks.  Last night, the hit on Chytil actually didn't even look like a "hit"...It looked to me as if he simply skated into, and glanced off the defenseman.  

[Pete]

17 minutes ago, Flynn said:

 

I had a whole bunch of data and a few links I was going to post.. But fuck it.. Go look it up yourself, perhaps you can learn something. 

Almost stopped reading here. Glad I didn't, cuz clearly you have a personal story... And because it's personal for you, you clearly have high emotions around it. But that doesn't mean that you're the only person who have ever had to deal with a concussion in their family. And the fact is once you have one, they are easier and easier to get. And if you're getting one from a hit like that, the next one is just going to come that much easier. 

 

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My kid had 2 her Freshman year.. Say out 9 months and got cleared to play and wanted to give it one more shot.. Soph year 1st game back, delivered a fairly solid blow- nothing.. Couple game later she got blindsided and trucked.. Nothing.. Went two full seasons, and two full seasons of summer travel ball dishing it out and taking shots (lacrosse defender). Practice during Senior pre- season conditioning, an errant ball lollypopped across the field grazes her chin, no violent impact, just a quick head snap. took 10 months to get rid of the symptoms. Every concussion has its own story and recovery path- there are "norms" but they are snowflakes, everyone is a little different in terms of impact and recovery. 

 

Labels aren't fair when it cones to concussions as they are wildly different animals.  

I'm sorry that that happened to your kid. 

[Flynn]

Her primary dr told us about a patient of his who was a world ranked judo guy.. Had a handful of concussions as a younger guy but they never really impacted his career.. Hung them up as he was getting old.. some time later in his life the guy had a violent sneeze, snapped his head back and had concussion symptoms for a year. You never know what will happen. 

 

There are also 5 or 6 different kinds under most classifications (although there are some specialists who think there might be as many as 12-15 concussion variants). The type can be just as impactful as the blunt force.   

[Morphinity 2.0]

I think the point is that not every circumstance is the same and there are many factors at play. So something that might look like it should cause a concussion vs. something that shouldn't really doesn't mean much. 

 

So maybe some more consideration should be given to Chytil before saying he shouldn't even be playing hockey anymore. 

[Tonybologna]

Looked sneaky intentional to me, but sneaky enough it wouldn't be able to be disciplined and that we could never say for sure it was intentional. Also injuries don't always look violent, even those that end up being really bad injuries. I hope he doesn't end up with a short career and concussion issues.

[Karan]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

But this isn't true. And that's my point, which quite frankly I think is getting lost and maybe that's on me.

 

There are people who are simply prone to easier concussions. Could that play have concussed other players? Maybe. And what would happen to those players if the hit was more violent? And maybe, hockey isn't such a good idea for those people... Like Brett Lindros. 

 

Well, it is actually. Sorry, maybe I wasn't specific enough but I believe I said any other player in that same incident would've had their brain jolted around. Whether or not that results in a concussion is down to several variables, many of which still aren't fully understood to date. It's basic physics really. You get elbowed in the skull in one direction, while your brain is still travelling in the opposite direction, that's gonna toss your jelly around to a degree. And being that's the root cause, it's not so farfetched that Chytil was diagnosed with a concussion in this case. But as already covered by others in this thread, for a first time concussion (as far as we know), there's really no barometer of what level of impact should or shouldn't result in a concussion. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Karan

[Pete]

24 minutes ago, Morphinity 2.0 said:

I think the point is that not every circumstance is the same and there are many factors at play. So something that might look like it should cause a concussion vs. something that shouldn't really doesn't mean much. 

 

So maybe some more consideration should be given to Chytil before saying he shouldn't even be playing hockey anymore. 

I'm sure both Lindros said that b

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, Karan said:

 

Well, it is actually. Sorry, maybe I wasn't specific enough but I believe I said any other player in that same incident would've had their brain jolted around. Whether or not that results in a concussion is down to several variables, many of which still aren't fully understood to date. It's basic physics really. You get elbowed in the skull in one direction, while your brain is still travelling in the opposite direction, that's gonna toss your jelly around to a degree. And being that's the root cause, it's not so farfetched that Chytil was diagnosed with a concussion in this case. But as already covered by others in this thread, for a first time concussion (as far as we know), there's really no barometer of what level of impact should or shouldn't result in a concussion. 

And maybe I wasn't specific enough, but if that's the level of jolt that gives you a concussion, then God help you on an open ice hit. 

 

You're literally talking about two players who were gliding, and it wasn't even a head-on collision.

 

The level of excuse making in this thread is surreal. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Pete

[Albatrosss]

its a lot easier to get a concussion from contact when you're not expecting it too.

[Karan]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

And maybe I wasn't specific enough, but if that's the level of jolt that gives you a concussion, then God help you on an open ice hit. 

 

You're literally talking about two players who were gliding, and it wasn't even a head-on collision.

 

The level of excuse making in this thread is surreal. 

 

Err yeah, that's the unfortunate reality of how such types of head injuries work in any human being, not just an athlete or even Chytil. It's a contact sport, shit happens, sometimes it doesn't take much.  

[Morphinity 2.0]

25 minutes ago, Pete said:

I'm sure both Lindros said that b

And what was true for the Lindroses probably isn't true for Chytil.