Sharpshooter Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 That's it right there, Pete. Perhaps he just isn't that good, or all of the hype and everything inflated his ego so much that he feels like he doesn't need to put in the work at the NHL level. I fear it may be more the latter here. If he can't get it going under this new staff, then all hope is lost for me. He did seem to be one of Gallant's biggest critics apparently, so I guess we'll see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 17 hours ago, Phil said: I mean, it shouldn't. It's clear where it needs to fall. The only real squabble might be attainable bonuses or the exact nature of the year-to-year variance. As a point of comparison, Miller's deal is $2,748,000 base this coming year + $350,000 bonuses, then $4,646,000 pure base in year two (setting the floor for his next deal). Laugh will probably do something similar. Ok sure Laf let’s give you a 50 goal bonus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, siddious said: Ok sure Laf let’s give you a 50 goal bonus Is that over a 10 year span??? LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Is that over a 10 year span??? LOL Nope just in 1 season. He hits it drury will gladly pay him more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, siddious said: Nope just in 1 season. He hits it drury will gladly pay him more He'd just spend it at Dairy Queen!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 15 hours ago, Pete said: Because only one of those players is stagnant, and he's the one who gets the most heat. Meh. I don’t feel like he’s been stagnant. But we’ll find out when camp opens. Cause you’re gonna know pretty much right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 hours ago, Pete said: Fox had his path blocked by two players. He just went out and outplayed them, and won a Norris in the process. Miller doesn't get PP time, but he's flourishing offensively. What's Lafreniere excuse? You're making the point for us. Fox and Miller have "it". Lafreniere doesn't. Chytil and Kakko might. I also find your spin on events fascinating. They asked permission to rebuild? No they didn't. They communicated what was going to happen. They're not the first or only team to do this. Then, your complaint is that they rebuilt too fast? Got too many good players to come? WTF? For all the "well first rounders usually come in with top line minutes and PP times on bad teams"... Sure, maybe, but that's not by design, it's by necessity. Don't you think the staff of those teams would love to ease in their top players slowly, perhaps against lesser competition on the third line? Rather than throwing them to the wolves? I mean you've seen Lafreniere play, right? Can you imagine him up against the other team's top shut down unit every night? He'd look even worse. You can finagle all the numbers and shift the conversation to "if he wasn't a #1!"... But anyone watching this guy play can see there's no there there. There's no "it". He's a #1 overall who's never the best player on the ice at anything hockey related. Let that sink in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 He may just not be that good. And if that’s the case, then wow! Every fucking scout got it wrong on him, for like, 2 years. But we will see. He definitely needs to get out of his own way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Duchene at $3M is probably better than Wheeler+Laf at $3.5M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: Duchene at $3M is probably better than Wheeler+Laf at $3.5M Maybe But I don’t think he wanted to be here and he’s notoriously inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Ozzy said: He'd just spend it at Dairy Queen!!! I think he's more of a Tim Horton's kind of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, RJWantsTheCup said: I think he's more of a Tim Horton's kind of guy. Who doesn’t love Timbits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Cash or Czech said: Duchene at $3M is probably better than Wheeler+Laf at $3.5M 1 hour ago, RangersIn7 said: Maybe But I don’t think he wanted to be here and he’s notoriously inconsistent. Yeah, I don't think it's any coincidence he quickly landed in Texas after spending years in Tennessee. He's a big country guy. I'm pretty sure he wants to be in those markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Phil said: Yeah, I don't think it's any coincidence he quickly landed in Texas after spending years in Tennessee. He's a big country guy. I'm pretty sure he wants to be in those markets. Drive an hour north of NYC and you're in cousin-bumpin country too. We should really make an educational flier about it. Edited July 13, 2023 by Cash or Czech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil said: Yeah, I don't think it's any coincidence he quickly landed in Texas after spending years in Tennessee. He's a big country guy. I'm pretty sure he wants to be in those markets. Exactly. He wants to be in an “I don’t give a fuck about it” market, where he can collect his check and be under no pressure. That’s fine. Go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Cash or Czech said: Drive an hour north of NYC and you're in cousin-bumpin country too. We should really make an educational flier about it. An hour west would get you just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 9 hours ago, Br4d said: I don't know maybe the Rangers are just unlucky with all the #1's that don't work out. Except you and I both know that's not the case. I've been waiting 50 years for the Rangers to grow a great forward from scratch and I'm still waiting. In 50 years Brian Leetch is still the only great skater the Rangers have developed. You've been waiting 50 years and are trying really hard to make this fat kid that long lost "from scratch" forward, and hes not anywhere near being that. Kovalev had more of "it" . Callahan had more of "it". Amonte had more of "it". Turcotte had more of "it". Mike York, Prucha, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Stepan, Kreider, JT Miller, Buchnevich, Duclair... all these players had more "it" in their game than Lafrenière has shown. These guys all showed enough to force their way up the lineup at whatever time they started in the league. Its that 1OA stigma that you want to keep him around for. It's understandable. But you have to take your lumps in trying to make excuses for him. I'm just done with him. "Its" not there. Not here with the Rangers anyway. And since it's evident that he can't force his way up the lineup (because he's not good enough), I (and others) can't stand the sight of the failed 1OA. If he succeeds elsewhere. Good for him. I wish he could have done it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakawayMachine Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Trade him to Chicago so he can be carried by Bedard, and we can get back what we gave up for Kane. Everybody wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Dude said: You've been waiting 50 years and are trying really hard to make this fat kid that long lost "from scratch" forward, and hes not anywhere near being that. Kovalev had more of "it" . Callahan had more of "it". Amonte had more of "it". Turcotte had more of "it". Mike York, Prucha, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Stepan, Kreider, JT Miller, Buchnevich, Duclair... all these players had more "it" in their game than Lafrenière has shown. These guys all showed enough to force their way up the lineup at whatever time they started in the league. Its that 1OA stigma that you want to keep him around for. It's understandable. But you have to take your lumps in trying to make excuses for him. I'm just done with him. "Its" not there. Not here with the Rangers anyway. And since it's evident that he can't force his way up the lineup (because he's not good enough), I (and others) can't stand the sight of the failed 1OA. If he succeeds elsewhere. Good for him. I wish he could have done it here. This is where roster construction took a nose dive. We dealt a successful contributor who has only gotten better and is still a position of weakness for this roster. Say what you want about cap $$. That was poor roster management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Just now, jsm7302 said: This is where roster construction took a nose dive. We dealt a successful contributor who has only gotten better and is still a position of weakness for this roster. Say what you want about cap $$. That was poor roster management. Yeah, but it's been beaten to death by me and others. It was a mistake. It was dumb. It's the only really poor move by Drury so far (that i can think of). All GMs have a few of those. As bad of a move as it was. The team did make it to the ECF that year. So.... shrug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, BreakawayMachine said: Trade him to Chicago so he can be carried by Bedard, and we can get back what we gave up for Kane. Everybody wins. A 3rd round pick in 2025 is more valuable than a 20-20 LWer signed in the $2Ms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakawayMachine Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 58 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: A 3rd round pick in 2025 is more valuable than a 20-20 LWer signed in the $2Ms? Yes. Whatever gets this guy off the team. I bet he wont break 15 goals this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, BreakawayMachine said: Yes. Whatever gets this guy off the team. I bet he wont break 15 goals this year. I’ll take that bet. He’s paced or scored more than 15 goals every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakawayMachine Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 48 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: I’ll take that bet. He’s paced or scored more than 15 goals every year. I’ll bet. Less than 15 goals this year. no goals in first 8 games. Two assists in first 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 35 minutes ago, BreakawayMachine said: I’ll bet. Less than 15 goals this year. no goals in first 8 games. Two assists in first 10 games. That sounds like Panarin’s last 10 playoff games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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