Brooks The Jacob Trouba Fiasco: Buyout? Trade? Nope, He's Probably Returning Afterall

[Br4d]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

I would doubt he gets traded this season as his agent has made it pretty clear to every team in the NHL that they will be getting an unhappy player in return. 

 

The sequence Drury will probably try is:

 

1.  Work out a deal with a team not on his list.

a)  If Trouba reports the problem is solved.

b)  If Trouba doesn't report it's actionable under the CBA although it is not clear exactly how this would be resolved. 

 

This is where the trade needs to be artfully crafted.  The Rangers basically need to take back a 1 year cap hit under the range of Trouba's cap hit.  Then if Trouba does not report to the team he is traded too both teams can agree that the trade stays in place and the new team terminates the contract.  The Rangers can then buy out the 1 year cap hit they acquired.  The benefit for the Rangers in this case is a cheaper buyout and not having to deal with the whole scenario next season again.

 

2.  Waive Trouba and hope somebody claims him.

a)  If Trouba is claimed the problem is resolved.  Not the Ranger's headache any more.

b)  If Trouba is not claimed it is probably simplest to assign him to Hartford and accept the fact that this year's cap relief is minimal.  Next year the Rangers buy out the last year of his contract.

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Albatrosss said:

This kind of a reputation is pretty bad for Trouba. Im sure teams would be very weary of signing him as UFA in 2 years. Pretty sure he just lost lots of money with his attitude.  But he’s stuck between a rock and a hard place. 

I think it's definitely bad for his image, and I'm not sure how you leave the C on his sweater, But presumably in free agency he's going to a place where he wants to go so there should be no issues. 

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Br4d said:

 

The sequence Drury will probably try is:

 

1.  Work out a deal with a team not on his list.

a)  If Trouba reports the problem is solved.

b)  If Trouba doesn't report it's actionable under the CBA although it is not clear exactly how this would be resolved. 

 

This is where the trade needs to be artfully crafted.  The Rangers basically need to take back a 1 year cap hit under the range of Trouba's cap hit.  Then if Trouba does not report to the team he is traded too both teams can agree that the trade stays in place and the new team terminates the contract.  The Rangers can then buy out the 1 year cap hit they acquired.  The benefit for the Rangers in this case is a cheaper buyout and not having to deal with the whole scenario next season again.

 

2.  Waive Trouba and hope somebody claims him.

a)  If Trouba is claimed the problem is resolved.  Not the Ranger's headache any more.

b)  If Trouba is not claimed it is probably simplest to assign him to Hartford and accept the fact that this year's cap relief is minimal.  Next year the Rangers buy out the last year of his contract.

I think he's just going to be on the team. 

 

Nobody's going to jump through those hoops at this point. It's not like they need the money. There's nobody out there to go and get.  

[Br4d]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

I think he's just going to be on the team. 

 

Nobody's going to jump through those hoops at this point. It's not like they need the money. There's nobody out there to go and get.  

 

How do the Rangers handle the Trouba Captaincy with both sides knowing he's gone after next season, maybe sooner if the Rangers can find a trade before the deadline?

 

I just think it's gone too far at this point for him to return in a leadership role in that locker room.  

[Albatrosss]

I also think he’s just going to play next season and see what happens 

[Phil]

 

A bit more "confirmation" that Trouba very likely added Detroit to his NTC list after the Rangers asked him to submit it early once he learned that the trade to Detroit was being worked on.

[RichieNextel305]

I get it’s within his rights. And he’s not wrong to do it. Just such a weird spot. Most of the time, when a player knows he’s not wanted, he waives. Gaborik did to go to CBJ when we traded him there. Sure there’s other examples.

 

Just a shitty situation. Trouba has to know his play isn’t up to par for his price tag and knows he’s hamstrung the Rangers here. Again, not saying it isn’t within his rights. But just lousy when a team essentially says it’s time to move on, you’re overpaid, you’re not as good as you once were, we have a willing taker and it’s your hometown team. And you still say no. I get it. Family reasons. But just a crappy situation for all parties. It sucks Trouba got dragged through this as publicly as he has and it also sucks he is so dead set on staying with an organization that badly wants to dump his contract. Bad look for both parties at the end of the day.

[Br4d]

If anything Drury was too nice here.  He should have just waited for the list and slammed the trade through after noon when the list was submitted.

 

It would have hurt the Rangers chances to sign any of the big free agents but there were ways around that also by agreeing to a deal and then trading Trouba after the deal.  Cap-compliance is not in effect until later in the fall.

 

Edit: Note that this is not a reporting issue if the Rangers asked Trouba for his list and mentioned Detroit in the process.

Edited July 12 by Br4d

[4EverRangerFrank]

Both sides go into the contract with open eyes fully understanding that the final 1-2 years may not be working out as contemplated. In Trouba’s case it’s not working as planned. His play has declined and is inverse proportioned to his play. Thinking of it another way; Would NYR pay Trouba at the current rate of pay for the current rate of play? No way. 
 

So both need to man-up. Both are within their rights. Drury took the high road IMO not wanting to taint the interest of future stars. Trouba wants his money. Feels like he’s earned it. 
 

There is no winner here. The bed has been made. 

[Br4d]

Ultimately Trouba is either going to play somewhere else for $6M or not play this season.

 

That or Drury is going to let the process own the Rangers, which would be unfortunate given the realities in play this season, next and post 2026.

 

I don't doubt that some aspects of the current impasse might damage the Rangers ability to negotiate with free agents down the road.  However any contract they sign with anybody will likely feature similar issues in the last few seasons.  Teams deal with this stuff all the time.

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Phil said:

 

A bit more "confirmation" that Trouba very likely added Detroit to his NTC list after the Rangers asked him to submit it early once he learned that the trade to Detroit was being worked on.

Larry fucked it up.

[Phil]

Larry fucked it up.

[Valriera]

Larry fucked it up.

[BrooksBurner]

[Ozzy]

Larry Fucked it up!

[Dem]

Fuck Larry

[phillyb]

Does Larry's access change because of this? 

[BrooksBurner]

[Scott]

Larry fucked it up   got the information from someone within the org. That's where the fucking up started. 

[Sharpshooter]

Can they Wade Redden him or something?

[Phil]

17 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Can they Wade Redden him or something?

 

Sure, at an insane cost. The NHL outlawed the ability to bury deals like this. The current CBA only gives you a fraction of the savings if you decide to do it. In Trouba's case, it's league minimum salary ($775K this season) + $375K in relief. In other words, you bury him, you carry a dead hit of $6.85M.

 

Then you need to replace him. If that's just Ruhwedel ($775K), you did all of this to "save" $375K.

 

tl;dr: no, they can't.

[Albatrosss]

Larry wishes he could fuck up like that.

[Sharpshooter]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

Sure, at an insane cost. The NHL outlawed the ability to bury deals like this. The current CBA only gives you a fraction of the savings if you decide to do it. In Trouba's case, it's league minimum salary ($775K this season) + $375K in relief. In other words, you bury him, you carry a dead hit of $6.85M.

 

Then you need to replace him. If that's just Ruhwedel ($775K), you did all of this to "save" $375K.

 

tl;dr: no, they can't.

Okay. I figured they probably wouldn't save much, if any, cap space. It would just be a way for him to not be on the team. 

[Albatrosss]

Just now, Sharpshooter said:

Okay. I figured they probably wouldn't save much, if any, cap space. It would just be a way for him to not be on the team. 

why you hate so much?

[Br4d]

1 hour ago, Albatrosss said:

why you hate so much?

 

It's very hard to have an ex-Captain on the team.  It's really hard to do that when it's already clear a breakup is happening and it's only a matter of when.

 

Obviously it's situation normal all fucked up at this point but that doesn't mean things can't get more SNAFU.