Rangers1994 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Now that the Bruins have traded Ulmark to the Senators, how would that affect the Rangers' dealings with Shesterkin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 It will not affect them in any way. He will still be getting paid a lot of money by the Rangers for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers1994 Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said: It will not affect them in any way. He will still be getting paid a lot of money by the Rangers for the foreseeable future. But just suppose the Rangers trade Shesterkin? Who will they use for goalie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I don’t think it changes how the Rangers deal with Shesty, but it means Ottawa is making an effort, and we can probably put the Brady Tkachuk to NYR fantasy to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 10 minutes ago, Rangers1994 said: But just suppose the Rangers trade Shesterkin? Who will they use for goalie? It would depend who they trade him to, as to who they'd get in return. You don't need to spend a ton on goaltending to win, but you still need great goaltending to win and Igor is one of the best. He's going to get paid, and I think it will be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I really don't want him here at anything over $10 million. Who'll play goalie? I'd fucking do it myself, if we could save money on the cap! There is so much we could do with that salary...like address a long overdue problem with RW and maybe acquire a 3rd line center like a Boone Jenner type, that actually IS a 3rd line center. You guys have seen this movie before with Hank....we can get back a metric ass-load for Igor right now, and I really think this is the time to move him. I know ...the fucking "window"! I don't buy into that shit anymore, because I just saw a career mediocre goalie take his team to a 7th game of the Finals. Yeah, the last one was a softee, but I'll blame the defense for collapsing on him....so that's arguement's dead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 The Rangers are in a weird spot with Shesterkin. On one hand, he's the best goalie on earth and he's probably worth that 12m. But the cap exists and we have other needs too. On the other, the goalie valuation in the trade market is ten kinds of fucked up. Ullmark won a Vezina not 12 months ago and he just got a 1st and some trash. Markstrom - a recent Vezina candidate - just got a 1st and a bottom 4 D. Then, you have the added complication of trading Shesterkin to a team that won't burn us. Western Conference only. Then you narrow it down to "needs a goalie, or thinks a goalie might accelerate things" - that eliminates a BUNCH of teams. Then you narrow it down to "would pay Shesterkin" and you lose a few more. Then you narrow down "Shesterkin wants to play there", "has the assets" - and suddenly you're looking at like...two teams. It's a real catch 22 and the only really good answer for the Rangers is if Shesterkin is willing to not have an 8 figure cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 The trade itself has no impact. His extension might have some, but Shesterkin's only real comparables are Bobrovsky and Hellebuyck. Sorokin should have been, but Shesterkin lapped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Bottom line is I don't think we really can afford anything more than $9 million, and I really can't see him accepting that at all. If I'm him, I wouldn't either; his value is probably around 11-12 million right now. He's basically priced himself out the door here. Good thing we have a year to get this thing done, one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 12 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Bottom line is I don't think we really can afford anything more than $9 million, and I really can't see him accepting that at all. If I'm him, I wouldn't either; his value is probably around 11-12 million right now. He's basically priced himself out the door here. Good thing we have a year to get this thing done, one way or another. Not to be contrarian, but we can get him 12m/y for the next 4 years and still keep the cap hit at 9m. 12/12/12/12/6/6/6/6 is a perfectly legal 9m AAV deal that, if structured properly, can get Shesterkin 47 million dollars on the new contract by July 1, 2028. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 26 minutes ago, LindG1000 said: Not to be contrarian, but we can get him 12m/y for the next 4 years and still keep the cap hit at 9m. 12/12/12/12/6/6/6/6 is a perfectly legal 9m AAV deal that, if structured properly, can get Shesterkin 47 million dollars on the new contract by July 1, 2028. I'm no capologist, G Man, but if that's attainable, which apparently it is...I think that may be the path we need to go down then, if we wanna keep him. I just can't see paying a goalie 10 figures and having a team around him that's got a "Callahan" as our top scorer with 33 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I think Bobby winning the cup affects Shesty’s next contract more than the Ullmark trade. FLA proved that you can pay a goalie 1/8 of your cap and win, overperformers notwithstanding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 43 minutes ago, Ozzy said: I'm no capologist, G Man, but if that's attainable, which apparently it is...I think that may be the path we need to go down then, if we wanna keep him. I just can't see paying a goalie 10 figures and having a team around him that's got a "Callahan" as our top scorer with 33 points. I think it's the happy medium. Shesterkin gets ostensibly 4x12 then 4x6. Cap hit stays low-ish, but Shesterkin still gets 72m. The only problem with that contract is that if a buyout has to happen, it's a death sentence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 7 minutes ago, LindG1000 said: I think it's the happy medium. Shesterkin gets ostensibly 4x12 then 4x6. Cap hit stays low-ish, but Shesterkin still gets 72m. The only problem with that contract is that if a buyout has to happen, it's a death sentence. ...and with goalies, you know how fast that can drop off. As well as Igor did in the playoffs this past season, I still have vivid memories of what he looked like in November and December. That shit worries me! I'm really thinking maybe our best option may be to at least shop him and see what we could get in return. If Quick was able to hold the fort for a couple of months at a ripe old age of 39, we could most likely get a solid option that could allow us to bolster our glaring holes in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 15 minutes ago, phillyb said: I think Bobby winning the cup affects Shesty’s next contract more than the Ullmark trade. FLA proved that you can pay a goalie 1/8 of your cap and win, overperformers notwithstanding. Absolutely. An example is now written in stone. It’s a heavy outlier, but it doesn’t matter. It’ll still be used as justification to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 16 minutes ago, LindG1000 said: I think it's the happy medium. Shesterkin gets ostensibly 4x12 then 4x6. Cap hit stays low-ish, but Shesterkin still gets 72m. The only problem with that contract is that if a buyout has to happen, it's a death sentence. The other problem is he grosses 72 million instead of 90, but sure. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, Ozzy said: ...and with goalies, you know how fast that can drop off. As well as Igor did in the playoffs this past season, I still have vivid memories of what he looked like in November and December. That shit worries me! I'm really thinking maybe our best option may be to at least shop him and see what we could get in return. If Quick was able to hold the fort for a couple of months at a ripe old age of 39, we could most likely get a solid option that could allow us to bolster our glaring holes in the lineup. I'd send him to the Kraken for Grubauer, Wright, and a pick or something? I dunno. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 22 minutes ago, LindG1000 said: I'd send him to the Kraken for Grubauer, Wright, and a pick or something? I dunno. Gourde? ...I know who'd want him! @Keirik 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 hours ago, phillyb said: I think Bobby winning the cup affects Shesty’s next contract more than the Ullmark trade. FLA proved that you can pay a goalie 1/8 of your cap and win, overperformers notwithstanding. I doubt it. Teams are smart enough to realize that you're not regularly getting 100pts/60G from a guy making 6M and 40G from a guy making 4+. Good chance they lose 2-3 of Reinhart, Verhaghe, Stenlund, Montour, Bennett, Ekblad because of Bob's salary IF they don't buy him out (don't know what a buyout looks like) but it's an almost impossible scenario to recreate. It'd be one thing if they had Lafreniere and Miller locked in, but they don't. They simply can't afford to pay him more than maybe 9M AND put together an offense worth a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 On 6/25/2024 at 2:24 PM, Pete said: I doubt it. Teams are smart enough to realize that you're not regularly getting 100pts/60G from a guy making 6M and 40G from a guy making 4+. Good chance they lose 2-3 of Reinhart, Verhaghe, Stenlund, Montour, Bennett, Ekblad because of Bob's salary IF they don't buy him out (don't know what a buyout looks like) but it's an almost impossible scenario to recreate. It'd be one thing if they had Lafreniere and Miller locked in, but they don't. They simply can't afford to pay him more than maybe 9M AND put together an offense worth a damn. Florida is losing guys. And they know it. They got 91 goals this year out of 2 players making $10.6 million. Call it what you want- good GM, scouting, being savvy… but no one expected that. They stepped in shit on that. They’re going to backslide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, RangersIn7 said: Florida is losing guys. And they know it. They got 91 goals this year out of 2 players making $10.6 million. Call it what you want- good GM, scouting, being savvy… but no one expected that. They stepped in shit on that. They’re going to backslide. Yea I mentioned in one of these threads that we paid 18 million for 90 goals from Panarin and Kreider and Florida paid half that for the same goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 21 minutes ago, Pete said: Yea I mentioned in one of these threads that we paid 18 million for 90 goals from Panarin and Kreider and Florida paid half that for the same goals. And that’s in the going rate ballpark for that amount of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 26 minutes ago, Pete said: Yea I mentioned in one of these threads that we paid 18 million for 90 goals from Panarin and Kreider and Florida paid half that for the same goals. Also… Reinhart isn’t a C… and next to anything but a top-5 C, he’s a 25 goal, 60 point guy. Verhaege though is vastly underrated. Hes a legit 30+ goal guy in anyones top-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasRanger Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 If we trade him, maybe look at Jarry. Think he has 4 years remaining at 5m per year. We would need to be better on defense, but, Jarry is not horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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