Stars Re-Sign Jake Oettinger to 8-Year/$66m Extension; $8.25m AAV

[RichieNextel305]

 

[Scott]

I thought it was interesting to see the comp number breakdown, after tax etc.

 

 

[Albatrosss]

is Shesty $4M a year better than Oettinger?

[phillyb]

Fuck Igor’s 12m. 

[RichieNextel305]

Igor is better than Oettinger and Swayman. He is not $4M per year better than them, no.

[phillyb]

2 minutes ago, Albatrosss said:

is Shesty $4M a year better than Oettinger?

I guess one could argue that Igor is more seasoned. But I’d take Swayman or Oettinger at 8.25 over Igor at 12 cause I don’t think Igor is worth 4m more than either of them. 

[Albatrosss]

Rangers' curse--either drafting busts or drafting superstar goalies they cant afford

[Albatrosss]

1 minute ago, phillyb said:

I guess one could argue that Igor is more seasoned. But I’d take Swayman or Oettinger at 8.25 over Igor at 12 cause I don’t think Igor is worth 4m more than either of them. 

Is Shesty worth $2M per year more than those two? probably

[phillyb]

1 minute ago, Albatrosss said:

Is Shesty worth $2M per year more than those two? probably

Too bad he rejected 11m already.

[Albatrosss]

Just now, phillyb said:

Too bad he rejected 11m already.

he thinks he was offered too much.  He's a god loving human who will not take advantage of others.

[BrooksBurner]

36 minutes ago, Scott said:

I thought it was interesting to see the comp number breakdown, after tax etc.

 

 

So theoretically if the Rangers had the ability to sign Oettinger, they would have had to offer $8.7 a year to be equal. Igor at $11.5 would be $2.8 more than that. Relatively small difference, less than $3 million, and Oettinger is not in Igor’s class.

 

People need to just adjust to 11 being the new 8 with the cap going up.

Edited 10 hours ago by BrooksBurner

[Phil]

25 minutes ago, Albatrosss said:

is Shesty $4M a year better than Oettinger?

 

No.

[Phil]

8 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

So theoretically if the Rangers had the ability to sign Oettinger, they would have had to offer $8.7 a year to be equal. Igor at $11.5 would be $2.8 more than that. Relatively small difference, less than $3 million, and Oettinger is not in Igor’s class.

 

People need to just adjust to 11 being the new 8 with the cap going up.

 

[Ozzy]

27 minutes ago, Albatrosss said:

is Shesty $4M a year better than Oettinger?

 

In a word...

 

[Ozzy]

I think the question to ask is, is Ottenger good enough to win a cup?

 

That answer I feel is YES

[Albatrosss]

11 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

So theoretically if the Rangers had the ability to sign Oettinger, they would have had to offer $8.7 a year to be equal. Igor at $11.5 would be $2.8 more than that. Relatively small difference, less than $3 million, and Oettinger is not in Igor’s class.

 

People need to just adjust to 11 being the new 8 with the cap going up.

why would the rangers have to offer $8.7?

[jsm7302]

7 minutes ago, Albatrosss said:

why would the rangers have to offer $8.7?

Tax differential

[Karan]

3rd straight starting goalie to sign for an $8.25M AAV. You'd almost think there was a fair market value for #1 goalies...

[Karan]

10 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

I think the question to ask is, is Ottenger good enough to win a cup?

 

That answer I feel is YES

 

He is yes, but to be fair, anyone in Dallas top-9 could play on most other team's top line so Oettinger has a ridiculous amount of offensive depth to play behind. A luxury which Shesterkin unfortunately doesn't have. So to a degree, the Rangers are somewhat handcuffed having to pay a premium for top end goaltending. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Karan

[Pete]

58 minutes ago, Scott said:

I thought it was interesting to see the comp number breakdown, after tax etc.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Karan said:

3rd straight starting goalie to sign for an $8.25M AAV. You'd almost think there was a fair market value for #1 goalies...

You're spot on, the goalie market was reset with these deals. Price, Vasi, Bob are just outliers now, not comparables.

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, Karan said:

 

He is yes, but to be fair, anyone in Dallas top-9 could play on most other team's top line so Oettinger has a ridiculous amount of offensive depth to play behind. A luxury which Shesterkin unfortunately doesn't have. So to a degree, the Rangers are somewhat handcuffed having to pay a premium for top end goaltending. 

Offensive support is not the problem. Dallas scored 3.59 G/GP to 3.29 for NYR.

 

The question may be, do the Rangers take more chances with Igor because it's Igor? How would they play in front of a "lesser" (lol) $8M goalie? I'm starting to feel like the whole "Well they need the 12M goalie" is bullshit. A lot of underlying metrics are the same for Shesterkin and Quick last regular season...Suggests you don't need superman back there.

[jsm7302]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

Offensive support is not the problem. Dallas scored 3.59 G/GP to 3.29 for NYR.

 

The question may be, do the Rangers take more chances with Igor because it's Igor? How would they play in front of a "lesser" (lol) $8M goalie? I'm starting to feel like the whole "Well they need the 12M goalie" is bullshit. A lot of underlying metrics are the same for Shesterkin and Quick last regular season...Suggests you don't need superman back there.

They've had success each season when another goaltender played 25-30 games; Igor is not a necessity but instead a luxury. Winning 3-0, is the same as 3-1 and 3-2. Paying this guy that much of our cap is bad management, period.

[jsm7302]

Oh yea...and thanks to Oettinger for being a reasonable team friendly player.

[RJWantsTheCup]

Drury should offer 9M a season and use the following approach.

9M for 55 games played equals 13.4M for 82 games.

[Phil]

Drury should offer nothing. They already made a ridiculous offer that was rejected. Ride the year out. If you win, great. Let him walk. If you don't, there's no justifiable reason to invest this much into a starting goalie. Negotiate one more time and try to get him back to earth. If he refuses, let someone else rat-fuck their cap to sign a $12 or $13 million dollar goalie.

 

If that means a regression in goals against, so be it. Use the new cap savings to buttress against that where you can. Sign a UFA defender who helps. Maybe keep Quick another year if he's still good, and just platoon with a lesser goalie tandem until you find your next long-term starter. At the end of the day, this is a better solution than financially crippling the team. That's the way I see it.